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Author Topic:   "Creation Science" on astrophysics?
TrueCreation
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Message 7 of 76 (7082)
03-17-2002 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Darwin Storm
03-16-2002 11:41 PM


"Its all about the stars. Bump."
--I myself would like to know the creationists theories on the various cosmological implications in question. My scientific background does not have a very large amount of cosmology and astrophysics in it.
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Message 13 of 76 (7330)
03-19-2002 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Joe Meert
03-19-2002 4:22 PM


"JM: Darn it, will you hear from an educated evolutionist? There are many explanations, but one of the ones making the rounds again is the notion of change in the speed of c. Barry Setterfield claims to have new evidence for this change, but his article has been rejected by mainstream journals so far. Basically, the claim is that light from distant galaxies traveled faster in the past and therefore had time to make it here."
--This argument seems to be widespread in many cases, it seems possible, though obviously don't taske my word for it. I know that you can decrease the speed of light, but I dont' know about its increase. I have also heard that they use a light speed mechenism to measure light, so it would be in measuring constant anyways.
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TrueCreation
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Message 18 of 76 (7781)
03-25-2002 4:31 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Darwin Storm
03-23-2002 9:32 PM


"So, astrophysics seems to be a stumbling block for creationism."
--In this forum, I guess so.
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TrueCreation
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Message 21 of 76 (8011)
03-30-2002 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Darwin Storm
03-25-2002 9:36 AM


"Thanks for being honest. The reason I ask is that astrophyics is one of the most solid pieces of evidence for an old universe."
--In my own personal view, which is nothing less of a straw-man, it seems it is, though the reason I don't see it as a stumbling block is that, I have no room to come to any conclusion on a subject that I have insufficient knowledge upon. Possibly when I run out of geology material, or its interest starts straying, cosmology will come to mind and astrophysics/cosmogony and all will be an interest. Not to mention my positive/negative interest/speculation in quantum mechanics.
"If creationism is to maintain an YEC model, it needs to address this issue."
--Certainly does.
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TrueCreation
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Message 50 of 76 (32952)
02-23-2003 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by John
02-23-2003 1:54 PM


The Translation of Yowm
"The Hebrew is YOWM and it means a literal day, not a fuzzy length of time. This is in direct contradiction to cosmology due to the problems with the timeline."
--I don't like to tumble with the linguistics, and semantics games of interpreting scripture, though I would point out that Yowm isn't restricted to a literal earth day.
--A rather thorough explanation is given here: http://www.accuracyingenesis.com/day.html
--Strong's Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary extract for 3117 "yowm":

Note that there can be two uses of the word, as a literal day, or as a figurative day for a period of time to be defined by associated words.
--The "Lexical Aids for the Old Testament" edited by Spiros Zodhiates for yowm:

Note that this author expands on Strong's comments and repeatedly emphasizes that yowm can be a period of time.
Also:
--We look at some of the places early in the Old Testament at which yowm has been translated as time in Fig 3 below. (Over 40 times depending upon the translation.):

As early as Genesis 2:4 we see yowm in the singular with an attached infinitive used to indicate an extended period of time. Strong's does not show this since the King James Versions retain the translation of day...
--Just thought I would point that out.
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