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Author Topic:   The boasts of atheists (Atheist self-deception)
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Message 11 of 304 (330087)
07-09-2006 1:31 PM
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07-09-2006 12:44 AM


"Your friends, if they can, may bury you with some distinction, and set up a monument, to let posterity see that your dust lies under such a stone; and when that is done, all is done. Your place is filled up by another, the world is just in the same state it was, you are blotted out of its sight, and as much forgotten by the world as if you had never belonged to it."--William Law
I would disagree entirely with that statement, for it can be construed that Law is talking solely upon only the physical being of a person. Sure another can physically take your place. But as a person has lived, it is such a person that has changed and influenced individual lives. A shining hollywood example might be the classic Its a Wonderful Life.
Flawed because it assumes that another person it did not present the possibility into the role and person the Jimmy Stewart character was (after he wished he didn't exist). But by the same token it is possibly apt if describing a situation in which someone else did not grow to take the kind of social position he held within the community.
Or the quote could be addressing everything I pointed out in that, its true nothing would change because for any person who holds a role in community if they were to die or to be non-existant, another person within the community would step up and fill the place. Even then that is flawed, because individually each and every person will take and perform a social role in a different manner. If it were true, all kings would be the same the czars would of been on equal footing as the biritish monarchs, or the british monarchs would have been the same for thousands of years, yet there is only one british monarch that has ever been called the Great, Alfred the Great.

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Message 14 of 304 (330107)
07-09-2006 3:17 PM
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07-09-2006 3:00 PM


Re: Get a load of this
Could you be more specific about, what making anyone wanting to puke? Are you asking does the ability for a single person being an athesist and deciding what is moral and immoral make you puke? Or is it the confidence that someone speaks of their own moral uprightness make you puke?
In either case, what exactly makes you puke?

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Message 167 of 304 (330613)
07-10-2006 8:10 PM
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07-10-2006 6:35 PM


Re: Exemplary
How is it boast if it is fact?
It doesn't matter if it's a fact or not. A boast is self-praise.
Also how is it self-praise, when you are uncomfortable with praise, and you are only repeating what others have literally said about you while giving them their due credit for saying such. I.e. my students praise me for their ability to learn while i am tutoring them. How is it a boast to say, xyz student feels that i am an excellent tutor?
Or that xyz person feels that i set a high standard for integrity and professionalism? How is it boasting to repeat what others have said about you and give them due credit for what they have said?

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Message 228 of 304 (330891)
07-11-2006 4:54 PM
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07-11-2006 4:25 PM


Re: Boasting
A few weeks ago I went with my wife to the VA hospital locally (she was signing up for benefits). While she was filling out paperwork, I wandered around. I happened to go out this door into a sort of patio, and there I saw a lot of old men. Many of them were missing limbs. They didn't look like they had much money either. Shabbily dressed. Veterans of some war or other.
It was terrible. My heart went out to them.
Life.
How at all was this terrible? Why do you pity the ones who have lived long and full lives, and are still living to experience their lives?

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Message 230 of 304 (330893)
07-11-2006 4:59 PM
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07-11-2006 4:56 PM


Re: Boasting
I would ask you to clarify what you mean by suffering.

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Message 234 of 304 (330898)
07-11-2006 5:02 PM
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07-11-2006 5:00 PM


Re: Boasting
guilty for what if i may ask?
As well as what neglect?
And why do you pity their lost limbs? Does losing a limb make them any less of a person of experience?
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Message 235 of 304 (330900)
07-11-2006 5:15 PM
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07-11-2006 5:37 AM


Re: Exemplary
Perhaps, are you then implying that my students (i'm not a teacher but a tutor instead), are then lying if they state they find me as an excellent tutor?
Also your questions and concerns are valid, but by the same token when they say that you are good are you to take it at face value as being an honest answer, or must you then think they are and thus are dishonest and selfserving by only saying these things to flatter? Because they find it easy to flatter and potenially recieve an 'easier' exam?

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Message 236 of 304 (330902)
07-11-2006 5:18 PM
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07-11-2006 5:45 AM


Re: Exemplary
Why are you boasting about your lack of morals and ethics, and general bad behavior?
Is not claiming your are an incredible murderer just as bad as saying as you are an extrememly loyal and devoted person? In fact one may consider it to be worse because you then take pride in negative social values.

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Message 241 of 304 (330913)
07-11-2006 5:49 PM
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07-11-2006 5:31 PM


Re: Boasting
You pity them for their circumstances that had them join the military? This could be taken as spitting on their entire life past joining the military. For the military was their choice, in their situation in most cases (except for the draftees), in which case they have other reasons to be bitter.
To pity them for being unable to find another job, is to again spit upon their entire lives and the choices they had made and who are you to say that they didn't find a job? I would wonder if you even asked them?
Stony stoic face, could be just as much as a reaction to your pity as it is to their life. And i would lean more toward your pity then anything else. To be pitied by another especially someone you don't know is akin to saying your life has no value.
The way you talk i get the impression that you pity the mentally disabled for not been born with similiar mental facilities as yourself, that you are outraged when another person can find some form of happiness and take joy in their life while you are stuck in a seemingly joyless world?

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Message 242 of 304 (330914)
07-11-2006 5:51 PM
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07-11-2006 5:45 PM


Re: wondering ...
I think at this point that it can't get any lower then it is.
At least we can look at it this way, the topic can only get better.

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Message 246 of 304 (330920)
07-11-2006 6:03 PM
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07-11-2006 5:54 PM


Re: Boasting
Whats pc anyways anyways?
I wonder what qualifies you to make judgement at my understanding of human feeling? Are you able to read my mind or do you understand the depth of my humanity? Do you think your own perception of human feeling is so right and proper that you are able to condemn me for my own feelings?
But you yourself had been dehuminazing these people, i say had because now you demonstrate an acceptance of their life. To say you only pitied them as you did was increasingly demeaning. Of course pity is all you expressed, so how was I to know, or anyone else for that manner, that you admired them for their life?

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Message 248 of 304 (330932)
07-11-2006 6:58 PM
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07-11-2006 6:47 PM


Re: Boasting
I'm flattered by you calling me obtuse, one would wonder what form of teacher calls a student of learning obtuse? For dumb questions do not exist eh? Perhaps inappropriate questions or otherwise, but for you to assume that I have ultimate knowledge of how you would think... well one may say that this belief implies a most disturbing arrogance as it implicity points to a simplicity and directness in thought and action that is demonstratably not present. For if simplicity and directness were present, I would think clarity would not need to be asked for by readers nor demanded by you when another misinterprets you.
Perhaps you might be better served, in terms of others representing you and understanding you, if you were to better explain yourself. Instead of speaking in short, vague and dismissive responses?

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Message 253 of 304 (330973)
07-11-2006 11:02 PM
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07-11-2006 10:48 PM


Re: Boasting
Robin could you please describe the assumptions that you feel I am making? I am open to retracting all I have said if you feel that the listed assumptions were made in error, as of right now I am very uncertain which assumptions you feel are despicable so I can't actually examine them.

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Message 260 of 304 (330983)
07-11-2006 11:53 PM
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07-11-2006 11:06 PM


Re: Boasting
A few weeks ago I went with my wife to the VA hospital locally (she was signing up for benefits). While she was filling out paperwork, I wandered around. I happened to go out this door into a sort of patio, and there I saw a lot of old men. Many of them were missing limbs. They didn't look like they had much money either. Shabbily dressed. Veterans of some war or other.
It was terrible. My heart went out to them.
Did you once ask them if they were unhappy or even talk to them beyond your giving of a cigarette to one?
I feel pitying a person because of the way they look is quite frankly the most monstrous thing to do. Because you have no idea why or how feel about look the way. You are assuming that they look unhappy because they lost limbs, or have no money, you are assuming they are unhappy because they don't have the things that you have. At this point how can you even know enough about the veterns to pity them. I am then valid in making the assumption that you demonstrated little or no concern about how they feel because you have dehumanized made them and their experiences less human.
AND I would dare you to tell these people you pity them. I am willing to bet that if they are spry enough they will fall out of their wheel chairs just to attempt to hit you, or if not that they will be insulted by your pity, or if they are past the point of caring about anothers 'pity' they will just tune you out. They will percieve your comments as spitting on their life period you have just devalued their life and have not respected their person peroid all without even knowing or asking them.

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Message 262 of 304 (330986)
07-12-2006 12:04 AM
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07-11-2006 11:36 PM


What is illogical is to assume that someone is unhappy by just looking at them!
For all you know they could have just passed the juiciest fart ever and they are unhappy about the pleasantness in their pants! And they are unhappy with the way they are going to have to clean up.

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