How are we justified?

I dunno, i',m just rocking some foundations here and there

Dont know if any foundations are being rocked, but it's a valid perspective for both sides of the argument. I was reading it from a creat's perspective

Being a Christian is not a fire escape. Its knowing Him. The power of God is humility. Not the flesh of man that is pride and a materialistic power. The scripture speaks truth that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Well, God will not force you. God doesn't send men to hell we send ourselves. God is a God of love but He is a righteous and holy God as well.As far as evidence. Here's a few.1)Biblical and secualr chronology.2)Prophecy(Things that were written before they took place.)3)You look at most cultures have stories that sound like the creation account of Genesis but they have been changed.4)The flood. What would happen with a flood? Billions of dead things buried under the earth. What do we see?[This message has been edited by drummachine, 02-17-2003]

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As far as evidence. Here's a few.

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1)Biblical and secualr chronology.

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Examples?

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2)Prophecy(Things that were written before they took place.)

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You mean the one that can be interpreted in so many ways that it is almost impossible for a person not to find something that matches?
Or do you have some prophecies that are clear and precise?

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3)You look at most cultures have stories that sound like the creation account of Genesis but they have been changed.

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Just like the Genesis creation account appears to be a changed version of the Babylonion creation myth?

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4)The flood. What would happen with a flood? Billions of dead things buried under the earth. What do we see?

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Except that the sorting of fossils in not what you would expect had they been deposited by a flood.------------------
Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-eight million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

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We're off subject. The moderator is gonna close the thread if you keep it up

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I respond to what others write. If the moderators feel that the thread has moved completely off topic they have every right to closed the topic. However, if the discussion is still interesting this discussion would more than likely be moved to a new thread.However, if then main discussion is still taking place, then side topics are generally allowed.------------------
Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-eight million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

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Originally posted by drummachine:
Being a Christian is not a fire escape.

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Sure sounds like it to me!

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The power of God is humility

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Prove it!

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Its knowing Him... Not the flesh of man that is pride and a materialistic power.

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Again, Prove it! Your words mean nothing to me, they are sensless babble

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1)Biblical and secualr chronology.

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so it's a history book! So what?

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2)Prophecy(Things that were written before they took place.)

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Yeah, well Nostradamus was pretty good at it as well, and i've heard a lot of the same stuff from satanists and fortune tellers i.e. what makes you any different? -that is of course if it isn't all a load of bollocks.

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3)You look at most cultures have stories that sound like the creation account of Genesis but they have been changed.

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even if this is true (which i think it isn't) i.e. i seriously doubt that the buddhists/hindus/voodoo religions,... were influenced by genesis! firstly how do you distinguish between each of the three mainstream judeo-christian faiths? Can you prove that Genesis wasn't merely a regurgitation of past stories?

Reality is just shared perception.We have no way of knowing that anyone else exists in
fact ... all other people could be mental constructs of
our own.It is a pointless line of reasoning since we must make the
best existence we can out of the perceptions we have. If those
perceptions are broadly speaking corroborated by a sufficient
number of others, then we have no reason to act in any
way other than to accept that as our reality.If 100 independent observers see an object in the sky, which
they all describe inthe same way, and cannot be reconciled with
any known aircraft then it IS a UFO (unidentified flying object).
That doesn't mean it is extra terrestrial.

That's the spirit!

If there's 100 of us in the room, and we all think it's an apple, and we take a look at it every 5 seconds for three hours and it's still an apple at every viewing, then until something profoundly suggests otherwise a good working hypothesis is that it's an apple.------------------
To err is human, to moo is bovine

Does that mean you agree or disagree ... or does it
depend on whether or not I perceive you to agree?

yes, but how do you know that the other people are real? sounds childish but that's what skepticism is all about! the annoying thing is, the skeptics could very well be right.

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Reality is just shared perception.

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We have no way of knowing that anyone else exists in
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*Yawn*That's a selfish philosophy trying to justify relativism.That relativistic psyche-babble nonsense may sound smart, but it is clear that common sense went right out the window.Just because we don't "perceive" something, doesn't mean that it does not exist.------------------
What is intelligence without wisdom?

That's more or less what I said in the rest of
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yes, but how do you know that the other people are real?I don't, and I can't ever *know* that the other people are real, but if they seem real, and act as if they're real and respond as if they're real, then I'll carry on as if they are untill some evidence appears to make me think they're not.That's how science works, even the oldest, most well founded laws of physics would need amending if a situation were found where they don't hold.