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Author Topic:   Atheism, a dangerous idea?
ikabod
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Message 40 of 241 (328403)
07-03-2006 3:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Alan Fox
07-01-2006 9:10 AM


atheism is not dangerous , what is dangerous is any group, of people who will persecute others for their beliefs , who will attack someone not for their actions but their views ......
ironic in a nation founded on freedom from religious persecution that certian church's have alined with right wing politics and become the very thing their fore father fleed from ...

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ikabod
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Message 52 of 241 (328477)
07-03-2006 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by riVeRraT
07-03-2006 6:56 AM


But an atheist can do what ever he wants. He act how he feels at the moment, and does have a set of morals to live by, and if he does, we just don't know what they are.
and where do the xians get their "morals" from the dictates of a church who in its history has supported .. racisum , slavery ,torture , persecution of those of differing views , persecution of other religions , persecution of those of a differing sect , up to and inlcuding the death penalty..... who has destroyed cultures and people across the globe ....
most so called moral laws well pre date even the OT , no culture has permitted murder or thieft or rape or arson to go unpunished ... civilization is based on group coorperation to the benifit of the group , hence a set of morals is built in to the nature of civilization ...
how many crimes are committed in the name of athisium ? how many churchs burnt down , how many anti religion rallys staged ?
most atheists are people who have stopped and considered the world and their place in it and have found the religious argument lacking ...and once they have done this have then moved on to build their own "moral" world model ...often with a very "xian" attitude to others .
is the atheist the new scapegoat for the right wing hate mungers ?? is the atheist the new jew / black / communist / hippey / do gooder , will we soon see posters of sneaky eye atheist whispering in the ears of others to spread their goddless creed ( pun ment )....???????
no worries big brother is watching you all and he will step in if civilization nears a fall , now where was i 2+2 = .......

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ikabod
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Message 189 of 241 (330793)
07-11-2006 10:44 AM


would it be possible to conduct a blind test .....
to begiven the moral/immoral standpoint of say 100 people , collected from series of questions , normal cross questioning tech to ensure "real" responces .
then ask the a group of xians to pick out the athiests from the xians
and a group of athiests to pick out the same,
would either group be able to correctly id one from another ??????

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ikabod
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Message 191 of 241 (331028)
07-12-2006 4:33 AM
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07-12-2006 12:14 AM


does this mean that the only way to tell A fro X is by the words and phrases each use ????
if a Atheist used the word sin , or sinner/s in their reply would they be assumed to be Xain because of the words
if the moral stance is the same reguardless of religious conviction , are both equal in value , or is one "better" because its backed by religious creed , doctrine and dogma ...or is one "better" because it is considered from a individual standpoint ?
Given that both individuals and churchs change their views over time ...,.

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ikabod
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Message 230 of 241 (333215)
07-19-2006 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by riVeRraT
07-18-2006 6:15 AM


Re: One thing at a time.
[qs]Please provide an example of absolute morality of an atheist.[\qs]
no atheist will kill , make war , presecute , defame , disfranshise , exclude , another person because of their religious view .
a atheist will chosse to do the right thing for no other reason than it is the right thing , this choice will not be tainted by any practice , dogma , ritual , or creed .

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