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Faith 
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Message 46 of 300 (331461)
07-13-2006 11:30 AM
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07-13-2006 11:20 AM


I don't understand your question. God is our fulfillment. Which anyone knows who has Him.

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Message 47 of 300 (331462)
07-13-2006 11:32 AM
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07-13-2006 11:30 AM


I think what I was thinking about, are there minor fulfillments in life to achieve before final fulfillment in GOD?

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Faith 
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Message 48 of 300 (331464)
07-13-2006 11:37 AM
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07-13-2006 11:32 AM


Life is a whole new thing in God. Everything that is done for Him, through Him, is a fulfillment of our nature. Or maybe I still don't know what you are asking.

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jar
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Message 49 of 300 (331466)
07-13-2006 11:38 AM
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07-13-2006 11:06 AM


Snakes & snails & puppy dog tails ...
Why at all must be something bigger, better, faster, more exciting or more stimulating to even draw any joy from the action?
One feature of both this and the other thread seems to point to a basic difference between folk, those who seem to be always needful of stimulation and always disappointed that they are not stimulated, and another group that somehow, perhaps miraculously, always seem to find something there to excite them.
I mentioned in the other thread the result of a recent rain here at the house, and how it brought out a Brazillion little snails. I spent quite a while that morning looking at and watching the little critters, their eyestalks were amazing and waved independantly, not at all like the uniform motion of grain in a breeze.
Now I have seen snails before, collected snails, lay down in the grass and follow one as it searched for whatever snails search for (never have found out), so seeing snails is not new, or even unusual. But that did not prevent my total awe when once again I had an opportunity to experience snails. It was a great moment to be cataloged with other wondrous experiences for future moments of pleasure.
Another such incident happened while I was working for GA DNR. I lived about 70 miles from my office, and the daily grind was a slightly over one hour drive south on I-95 in the morning and another hour north on the same concrete each evening. This was the routine 5, often 6, sometimes 7 days a week for over a decade and a half.
It was a wondrous experience. I got more done in those two hours than during all the intervening ones. It was a time for contemplation, planning and most of all, observation. One morning another DNR vehicle pulled up beside me and traveled along the route in step with my car for many miles. On that morning I got to see an Osprey snatch up a fish and then while in flight, turn the fish head on to reduce air drag and make flight easier. About a mile further down the road they had recently cut the grass on the shoulder, and a whole family of wild boar were feeding on the new tender growth. There were old tuskers and sows and about a passle of piglets all munching away and totally ignoring the sixteen wheelers racing by only feet away.
In the office parking lot I walked up to the driver of the other DNR pickup, excited to talk about what we had seen that morning. He had seen none of it, no Osprey, no pigglets, not one bit of all the awsome things that had been presented to him that morning.
Folk have said that it is impossible to be in constant awe and wonder, and they are correct. It can be done, but those who do so simply miss out on all that is around them.
I feel sorry for them.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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mikehager
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Message 50 of 300 (331468)
07-13-2006 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by robinrohan
07-12-2006 8:06 PM


In reply to your closing statement.
You at least open with something valid (probably by accident), the OP was very poorly written, but let's skip right on past that.
...the idea is that some non-believers tend to exaggerate qualities of themselves and their lives in such a way as to exhibit a false version of themselves and of reality.
My goodness, such weighty matters. You have no idea what other people who post here are really like so you also have no idea if they are presenting a false version. All you have is your unsupported opinion which, of course, is without any real value. The second half of the statement is equally foolish. Not agreeing with RobinRohan, in spite of what you clearly think, is not believing in a flase version of reality. Is your concept of realty so very good, so very important, so very RIGHT that any departure from it constitutes a "false version"? Don't bother answering. It's a rhetorical question. The answer is that it doesn't.
In my view, it is better to have an accurate view of reality and of oneself than a false view.
Well, if it is RobinRohan's exalted view, it must be true (That was sarcasm. I felt I should point it out to you, RR, as you seem to have so much trouble with simple comprehension). Again, you make the same error, that of thinking that your view has any validity at all. It might, if you were capable of defending it, but we have seen from your thread on logic that you can't, as you don't understand how argument works.
The question is whether the comments I admittedly rather rudely quoted exhibit such falseness. I think they do.
Nice to see you admit that you were rude. Save the apologies you are clearly obligated to make. I don't care to see them. As to what you THINK, well, again, it is valueless. Unless you can somehow defend it is some way other then inane repitition and childishly stupid claims of gastric distress.
I found it interesting, though, that PD came up with another example of moral boasting from MikeHager (he wants me to mention his name). PD doesn't think it's boasting, however.
Glad to see you finally using my name when you make unfounded assaults on me. Boy, tell you something three times and it sinks right in there, doesn't it?
Oh, and since PD disagrees with you, he is wrong? Of course he is.
I have nothing to say about the rest of your senseless diatribe. On the matter of the veterans, I will let others take you to task as you deserve for calling them brainwashed and using the tired old neocon practice of dismissing someone by labelling them "PC".
I also have a brief closing. Twice now, RR, you have started threads aimed directly at me (one totally and one in at least major part) using completely invalid and unsupported arguments. I do not know why you would bother. I do know that everything you have said about me recently is utter unfounded, unsuported bullshit. It is even worse given the fact that you have no real knowledge about me at all. The truth or falseness of anything I have said aside, you are comfortable calling me a braggert and a liar when you have no way of knowing one way or another. You repeat the same error time and time again: The fact that you think something is irrelevant unless you can support it. So, either put up with some valid argument or I would like to cordially invite you to shut the hell up.

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Faith 
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Message 51 of 300 (331471)
07-13-2006 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by mikehager
07-13-2006 11:43 AM


Re: In reply to your closing statement.
Wow.
That should give Robin a good laugh.

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mikehager
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Message 52 of 300 (331473)
07-13-2006 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Faith
07-13-2006 11:50 AM


Re: In reply to your closing statement.
Faith do you have anything to contribute other then a meaningless comment? History would indicate otherwise, but hope springs eternal.

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Message 53 of 300 (331477)
07-13-2006 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Faith
07-13-2006 11:37 AM


So what i then hear is tht GOD becomes the great synthesizer in that she brings all aspects of a person's life into connection.
He is what I would say the great Connector then?

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Dan Carroll
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Message 54 of 300 (331478)
07-13-2006 12:00 PM


Can we just rename this thread? I was thinking something like:
My Personal Anecdotes are Objective Facts About the Human Condition (Flirt With Schraf)

"We had survived to turn on the History Channel
And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied:
You're what happens when two substances collide
And by all accounts you really should have died."
-Andrew Bird

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robinrohan
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Message 55 of 300 (331513)
07-13-2006 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by mikehager
07-13-2006 11:43 AM


Re: In reply to your closing statement.
You have no idea what other people who post here are really like so you also have no idea if they are presenting a false version
I can understand that you would be upset, but if you make comments such as "I am a man of exemplary moral character" and "I am the best, most loyal friend you will ever have if you are so lucky as to earn my regard," and apparently mean this seriously, you must expect a little negative feedback. If you don't know why, your sensibilities must be very dull.
Boasting is self-praise (true or not), and you certainly seem to be praising yourself here. All overt boasting is offputting, but of course some more than others. But the worst of all is moral boasting--at least in my view.
The question is, is what you said about yourself plausible? After all, you were offering it as evidence in an argument, so I suppose we are justified in questioning its plausibility. Obviously, I'm basing my idea on my own private experiences, but I would say, no, your appraisal of yourself is not very plausible. It's possible that you are this morally wonderful person that you think you are, but I tend to doubt it. I think you are exaggerating, not consciously, but still exaggerating. I have known many people in my life, and I have never known a single person who could be characterized the way you proudly and solemnly characterize yourself. They all--including myself, of course--had flaws, some serious. Some they kept hidden.
But the thread was not about you; I was merely using your comments as examples of the tendency toward exaggeration I have noticed among non-believers. Of course I think I am right (otherwise I would change my mind and think some way), and that you are wrong, but it does not offend me that you should be wrong.
Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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mikehager
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Message 56 of 300 (331522)
07-13-2006 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by robinrohan
07-13-2006 1:35 PM


Re: In reply to your closing statement.
RR, you still are stuck in the same stupid and pedantic mode. You keep spouting unsupported opinions about me. You have still offerred no support for them. You still try to use meaningless arguments from personal credulity or incredulity.
I note that you are still not seemingly understanding the word "exemplary" even though I posted the definition once. Should I do so again? Repitition seems to be the only mode of argument you understand, so maybe that is what is required for you to understand something.
But the thread was not about you...
Liar. You sir, are a flat-out bald faced liar. It is painfully obvious that this thread was largely directed at me, as was another you started.
You know how I know you're a liar? I have know liars in life and it doesn't matter that I don't really know you, it is clear from this that you are. It doesn't matter that I have no proof beyond my opinion, I can still stand up and make the claim... If I want to be like RobinRohan.
So, in closing, you goddamned liar, I would again invite you to actually provide support for your positions or shut the hell up.

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robinrohan
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Message 57 of 300 (331527)
07-13-2006 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by mikehager
07-13-2006 2:06 PM


Re: In reply to your closing statement.
Liar. You sir, are a flat-out bald faced liar. It is painfully obvious that this thread was largely directed at me, as was another you started.
Not everything is always about you, MikeHager. I understand it's fashionable nowadays to say that we must "love ourselves," but there are, surely, limits? The love affair you appear to be having with yourself is bordering on the scandalous.
But I'll make a deal with you. I'll admit to being a liar (I have told some lies in my life) if you will admit to being a moral prig.
I have know liars in life and it doesn't matter that I don't really know you, it is clear from this that you are.
This is not quite the same sort of argument that I was offering. Mine was the idea that I had never known someone as you describe yourself, now that I HAD known people with such-and-such qualities.
Mine, I think, is the stronger argument.

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mikehager
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Message 58 of 300 (331528)
07-13-2006 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by robinrohan
07-13-2006 2:23 PM


Re: In reply to your closing statement.
Mine, I think, is the stronger argument.
Think it all you want. It doesn't make it so.
You see, RR, the oh, so subtle point you missed is that I used the exact same form of argument that you do. It was as invalid when I used it as when you did. Argument from personal credulity or incredulity in both cases.
A little practical example there. Sorry it was too much for you. I don't think you're a liar. I think your position is idiotic. Of course, it really doesn't matter what I think, does it?
How about this... You admit that your position is flawed, because you have failed to support it.

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robinrohan
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Message 59 of 300 (331530)
07-13-2006 2:38 PM
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07-13-2006 2:31 PM


Re: In reply to your closing statement.
You admit that your position is flawed, because you have failed to support it.
OK, I'll go that far on condition that you admit that your characterization of yourself was exaggerated.

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mikehager
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Message 60 of 300 (331533)
07-13-2006 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by robinrohan
07-13-2006 2:38 PM


Re: In reply to your closing statement.
Why? I am getting you to admit your position is flawed and in return you want me to affirm that it was actually correct? I don't think so.
Your position is logically flawed and therefore invalid and of no meaning. Why is that so hard for you to admit?

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