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Author Topic:   Hovind busted, finally
Buzsaw
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Message 23 of 308 (331844)
07-14-2006 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Percy
07-14-2006 3:34 PM


Re: I'm curious!
I've heard and watched him an estimated six or eight times on Sky Angel (Dominion Network) who has their own satelites. I don't remember of him mentioning taxes. The stuff I followed was his science oriented programs. There's quite a number of US citizens who use the system's laws to evade. Likely if he weren't legal he'd have been busted long ago. I don't know how they do it, but hey, if it's legal, I guess the system's to blame.
After all, the system does it to us all, like when the system with the stroke of a pen abolished the promise on every money bill silver certificate to pay on demand in silver the amount on the bill. I have some of those bills/legal documents myself to remind me that it's not just the American Indians who's legal stuff needs fixed. It's just that they are the only ones the system/government listens to nowadays in repatriation.
Maybe the system needs to be a better example of what's fair and just. Like the system expells you from your own home if you don't pay your tax/rent (some homes are taxed as much as home rent) on it so for all practical purposes the system claims to own your home (confiscation by the system).
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 109 of 308 (357549)
10-19-2006 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Modulous
10-19-2006 4:10 AM


Modulous writes:
I saw that, the first sentence made me laugh.
Did you read the forum comments below in the link, how the government has defrauded us all regarding the income taxes? Maybe we should all cry about that. Don't forget that there was a time before government began running out of control that the nation got along just fine without income taxes. States rule/rights was once how this nation was run for safety of federal government oppression as we see around the world.
Maybe we need a few more Kent Hovinds around to keep the feds (abe: honest) and remind us about reigning in top heavy government.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 126 of 308 (357866)
10-20-2006 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Percy
10-20-2006 9:26 AM


To you and to the others, I have never endorsed Hovind's modus operendi nor have I praised his lifestyle and much of his creo argument . I simply made a statement regarding the law and questioning as to whether Hovind was breaking some aspects of the law regarding his case. I'm not a lawyer but it seems that if it's taken the feds this long to get him in court he must have some lawful legitimacy. It's likely good that he's being tried so as to determine whether the law can bust him or if he does have a viable defense. It should be an interesting case to watch.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 133 of 308 (357995)
10-21-2006 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Dr Adequate
10-21-2006 7:04 AM


DA writes:
Well yes. He evaded tax.
1. I evade tax. You likely evade tax and so does every wise
American. There's legitimate ways of legally evading taxes and there's illigitimate ways. The EvC peanut gallery can speculate on all kinds of pharasaical accusations and judgements but in the end the courts will decide which it is with Hovind.
2. I'm quite sure Hovind knows more law than anyone of his accusers here, having used it all these years. I'm not defending him. I'm not selling him short as stupid either. Right now, I'm on the fence on this until more facts surface but certainly not trying and convicticting the man on the spot as most seem to be wanting to do here.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 136 of 308 (358016)
10-21-2006 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by subbie
10-21-2006 5:57 PM


subbie writes:
I'm absolutely certain Hovind doesn't know more about law than I do.
So Subbie, you think you're apprised enough on tax law to do what Hovind's been doing for decades and remain free doing it as long as he has? I don't know. I'm asking.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 142 of 308 (358047)
10-21-2006 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by jar
10-21-2006 6:49 PM


jar writes:
So cheating is okay if you don't get caught?
As usual, Jar, you either spin or miss my point, being that if he got by for decades he likely was not breaking the law. Otherwise the law would've likely busted him long ago.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 145 of 308 (358050)
10-21-2006 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by nwr
10-21-2006 7:09 PM


You make sense there, NWR. Ok I avoid paying any taxes legally when I can and maybe, I say maybe, that's what he was doing. I'm just going by how long it's taken him to get to trial. I know there's a lot of Americans who've done this over the years and somehow gotten by via manipulation of the laws. It's complicated I guess and you gotta know what your doing so I don't try this at home.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 279 of 308 (379658)
01-25-2007 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Lysimachus
01-24-2007 9:40 PM


Re: From Freedom to Fascism
Lysimachus writes:
I would slap you in the face very hard.
Hi Lysimachus. Nice to see you posting again. You're a needed member of the creo team here, but hey, good bud, what's this?? Jesus said not only to refrain from the above, but if someone else does it to you, turn the other cheek.
I'm sorry to see Kent & wife in prison also even though I didn't buy all of his claims. It appears they've found a way to go after these tax protestors who've been dodging the system by using the loopholes. A deceased guy I knew before he died got by for a number of years before his death using a similar risky strategy.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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