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Author Topic:   Critique of Ann Coulter's The Church of Liberalism: Godless
Coragyps
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Message 76 of 298 (332206)
07-16-2006 1:07 PM
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07-16-2006 12:48 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
So you agree with the premise of eugenics?
I didn't say that, did I? I asked you: "How, precisely, would our society be better if we had a couple million more "crack babies" in our schools and labor pool, and several million more kids with teenaged mothers?"
If you have no answer, just say so. I won't mind.
Edited by Coragyps, : typo

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 77 of 298 (332208)
07-16-2006 1:09 PM
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07-16-2006 12:33 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
no. i just think your terminology was stupid. love and sexuality are not mutually exclusive. however, one can be sexual without loving and loving without sexual. is the love necessarily different? no. is the expression different? yes. does it have to be? generally, according to our laws and customs.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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Message 78 of 298 (332209)
07-16-2006 1:12 PM
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07-16-2006 12:48 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
where are al these mysterios families who want children but can't have them? i don't see them. why don't they stand outside of abortion clinics with signs that say "give me your baby; i want it." nope. not a one. i do however see lots of families who can't have children paying millions of dollars to have four more children than they wanted because they implanted too many embryos.
maybe if every pro-life protester adopted a child instead of just standing there with a sign calling people names. maybe then i would believe you. put up or shut up.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 79 of 298 (332214)
07-16-2006 1:54 PM
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07-16-2006 1:07 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
I didn't say that, did I? I asked you: "How, precisely, would our society be better if we had a couple million more "crack babies" in our schools and labor pool, and several million more kids with teenaged mothers?"
Oh, you didn't say that? Then let me flat out ask you.
Do you agree that abortion for any reason should be the choice of the concieving mother?

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 80 of 298 (332216)
07-16-2006 1:57 PM
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07-16-2006 1:09 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
no. i just think your terminology was stupid. love and sexuality are not mutually exclusive. however, one can be sexual without loving and loving without sexual. is the love necessarily different? no. is the expression different? yes. does it have to be? generally, according to our laws and customs.
If love and sex are not mutually exclusive, then if you find yourself checking out a guy at the bar and are sexually attracted to him, then you love him, byt your standard definition. As well, if love and sexuality aren't mutually exclusive, then if you love your grandmother, then you also feel sexually attracted to her.
I never said that the two can't meet in the middle, as in a married couple having sex who also love each other. But emotion does not encompass love. This is what I'm trying to distinguish.
Does that make more sense?

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hope that is in you.”
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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 81 of 298 (332219)
07-16-2006 2:08 PM
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Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
no.
mutually exclusive means they cannot coexist. read your dictionary. it's very useful.

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Message 82 of 298 (332220)
07-16-2006 2:09 PM
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07-16-2006 1:12 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
where are al these mysterios families who want children but can't have them? i don't see them. why don't they stand outside of abortion clinics with signs that say "give me your baby; i want it." nope. not a one. i do however see lots of families who can't have children paying millions of dollars to have four more children than they wanted because they implanted too many embryos.
LOL! Because you have to go through legal channels to adopt a child, not, ahem, stand outside an abortion clinic with a sign, "I want your baby." And the mysterious families who can't concieve children are everywhere. In fact, prior to meeting my wife, she had a child out of wedlock and felt that it was best for her daughter that she go to a lobing family. My wife had to choose from several different families, all seeking to have children themselves. What an absurd comment, as if it somehow justifies infanticide. "Where are the mysterious families who want children but can't have them?"
Approximately 127,000 people annually adopt children on average in the United States alone; this according to factual statistics. Those are mystery families you speak of. As well, there are many more still in the process of seeking to adopt andmany others who are still trying to concieve naturaly, but haven't come to the conclusion that they simply cannot for whatever medical reason. Those are you mystery families.
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maybe if every pro-life protester adopted a child instead of just standing there with a sign calling people names. maybe then i would believe you. put up or shut up.
I guess we can take it a step further by saying that name-calling down at the abortion clinics wouldn't exist, if, 1. abortion clinics didin't exist, and, 2. That if mothers, you know, wouldn't kill their kids. I don't know, maybe I'm just bizarre for thinking that way.

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everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
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cavediver
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Message 83 of 298 (332221)
07-16-2006 2:11 PM
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07-16-2006 1:57 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
If love and sex are not mutually exclusive, then if you find yourself checking out a guy at the bar and are sexually attracted to him, then you love him, byt your standard definition.
No, you need to understand what "mutually exclusive" means, and more importantly, what "not mutually exclusive" means.
"not mutually exclusive" in this context, would mean that you can have love and no sexual feelings, love AND sexual feelings, and also sexual feelings but no love.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 84 of 298 (332222)
07-16-2006 2:12 PM
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07-16-2006 2:09 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
piss off.
go adopt a kid. preferably one that has a disability.
women don't kill their kids. they escape impossible situations and rid themselves of parasites.

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Coragyps
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Message 85 of 298 (332225)
07-16-2006 2:38 PM
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07-16-2006 12:49 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
Being that Reagan respected the Beatitudes and liberals don't, you aren't in the position to try to compare an economic pattern with a moral instruction.
We must be misunderstanding each other here. The Reagan I was referring to is Ronald Reagan, the 40th president of the US. Who are you talking about?

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Coragyps
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Message 86 of 298 (332228)
07-16-2006 2:46 PM
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07-16-2006 2:09 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
Approximately 127,000 people annually adopt children on average in the United States alone; this according to factual statistics.
And there are ten times that figure wanting to adopt? There are about 1.3 million abortions annually in the US, y'know. (88% of them prior to 12 weeks' fetal age, before you bring up "suffering" again.)

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 87 of 298 (332230)
07-16-2006 2:59 PM
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07-16-2006 2:12 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
piss off. go adopt a kid. preferably one that has a disability. women don't kill their kids. they escape impossible situations and rid themselves of parasites.
Awww, that was sweet of you. When my financial situation changes, I will adopt a child. Okay, some women don't actually kill their children, they just hire the hitman... which is also a crime. Its called, "murder." If abortion isn't murder, then someone killing a pregnant woman couldn't possibly be charged with a double-homicide. And yet, that is the case.
They don't escape "imossible" situations. Otherwise my wife couldn't have had the ability to adopt as oppose to kill. It's not escaping an impossible situation, its escaping responsibility and then making someone else, your child, suffer for your actions.
Lastly, if children are, as you lovingly refer to them, "parasite," then you yourself, me, everyone on EvC, and everyone on the planet, past, present and future, are also parasites. In which case, why do some "parasites" get to live and others get to be disembodied by having their limbs ripped apart or burned to death by a high concentration of saline?
I'm beginning to wonder if you even know what abortion actually entails. I only ask because the smiling mouths, crinckled noses, and soft speech on the NARAL and/or Planned Parenthood just don't convey to you what actualy happens in the clinic. If you'd like some remediation on the subject, I'd be more than happy to instruct you on the horrors. Ah heck, I don't need your approval. It's my choice. Its all about........... choice. And i choose to show you. You have the choice to clicky the linky or not.
Here are some of the methods for ridding "parasites."
Readthetruth.com
And here are some pictures of what these methods do to the "parasites"
Abortion Truth.com - pictures of abortion, abortion techniques

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Message 88 of 298 (332236)
07-16-2006 4:14 PM
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07-16-2006 2:59 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
I'm beginning to wonder if you even know what abortion actually entails.
I think we're all wondering if you even know what pregnancy actually entails. You don't seem to give that impression in your posts.

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Lithodid-Man
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Message 89 of 298 (332240)
07-16-2006 4:34 PM
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07-16-2006 2:09 PM


Adoption
NJ writes:
Approximately 127,000 people annually adopt children on average in the United States alone; this according to factual statistics. Those are mystery families you speak of
Yet from your source:
119,000
Number of children waiting to be adopted on September 30, 2003.
8.6 years old
Average age of a child waiting to be adopted.
Approximately 3.65 years
Average amount of time a child waits to be adopted.
28,840
Number of children in the U.S. who have been waiting five years or more to be adopted.
As an adopted child myself and having strongly considered adopting a child I have looked at these issues alot. The reality is that if a couple wants a white newborn baby they pay through the nose, get investigated from all angles, etc. etc. If a couple wants a black baby or a native baby (especially an older child for both) they need to show they are breathing human beings and can even get paid to adopt. I know several couples (all fundamentalist Christian, btw, possibly not relevant but who knows...) who paid enormous sums of money to adopt white babies from Russia or other Eastern European countries. It really pisses me off.
True story -When we found out we were going to have a baby, it was when I had just started grad school in Louisiana and we were absolutely flat broke. We found a clinic that advertised "free exams and ultrasounds for pregnant women" and went. As it turns out it was a pro-life sponsered clinic. My wife started hearing a lecture on the horrors of abortion (I was excluded). When she interrupted and said she was not even thinking about abortion and wouldn't adopt out our child we were hustled out of there quicker than snot with only a reference to how much we cost them by wasting their time. Take home message is: despite the evidence for the overall health benefits for both mother and child with good prenatal care the pro-life movement pretty much could care less what happens to a child once the decision to go full term occurs. Pretty much every so-called pro-lifer out there is also against social services, medicaid, family leave act, subsidized daycare, housing assistance, etc. etc. etc. IOW pretty much everything that actually benefits children.

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Message 90 of 298 (332244)
07-16-2006 4:45 PM
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07-16-2006 2:59 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
Dunno what you are talking about but most abortions are taken care of via vacuum tube very early on. Or via emergency contraception when the egg has barely hit the wall. Call it a forced early miscarriage, or a miscarriage aided by vacuum.
So if you are talking about abortion you are talking about a very small number of cases and that you are even multiplying to make seem like every aboriton is taken care of that way. You are talking like the news talks about murders, 18% decresase in homicide and coverage of murder goes up by about 500%, the hell is that? Its as if the only thing you hear is abortion via partial birth or abortion via, c-section? Probably must be selective hearing.

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