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Author Topic:   What are the Degrees of Fundamentalism?
jar
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Message 121 of 229 (332697)
07-17-2006 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Faith
07-17-2006 9:25 PM


Re: God's judgment
Is God in charge of Nature or not?
No.
Is God omnipotent or not?
Unknown.
What sort of God are you following?
The Christian GOD, in fact the only GOD.
There is absolutely no reason to bring GOD into the equation to explain natural occurrences. We know what caused the tsunamis, the hurricanes, why they struck where they did when the did and why the destruction levels were as they were.
To say that GOD is in charge of Nature and that the storms, earthquakes, tsunamis, desease or any other such event is God's wrath or judgement is Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 122 of 229 (332700)
07-17-2006 10:05 PM
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07-17-2006 9:41 PM


Re: God's judgment
Funny how you carry on about how the creation, the universe, is proof of God, but then you deny his sovereignty over it.
Well I've already made my point from scripture that God rules all things, so how about a couple of traditional hymns that say the same thing.
Fairest Lord Jesus, Ruler of all nature,
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/f/a/l/faljesus.htm
Be still, my soul: the waves and winds still know
His voice Who ruled them while He dwelt below.
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/b/e/bestill.htm

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jar
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Message 123 of 229 (332703)
07-17-2006 10:13 PM
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07-17-2006 10:05 PM


Stop misrepresenting folk Faith.
Funny how you carry on about how the creation, the universe, is proof of God, but then you deny his sovereignty over it.
Please point out where I have EVER said anything is proof of GOD?
What I said is that YOUR attributing horrific events like the tragedy of hurricanes, tsunamis or other natural disasters that we understand fairly well to some Divine Retribution is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 124 of 229 (332705)
07-17-2006 10:18 PM
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07-17-2006 10:13 PM


Perhaps I didn't say it quite correctly: not proof of God, but that God "wrote" the creation, it's His Bible. If so, then He has charge of it.
Yes I heard your damnation of me.
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Message 125 of 229 (332708)
07-17-2006 10:23 PM
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07-17-2006 6:29 PM


Re: God's judgment
Yes you do, otherwise everything you say is BS. You claim to be better "grounded in scripture" than me. You could be grounded all you like, but if you don't have a personal relationship with God, and confer with Him in everything you do, then you are not worshiping Him in spirit and truth. It's just your interpretation, or what was taught to you.
This is common knowledge to a Christian and it's not something to be talked about like this.

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jar
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Message 126 of 229 (332709)
07-17-2006 10:28 PM
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07-17-2006 10:18 PM


Re: You have a false God jar
Yeah, right Faith.
Perhaps I didn't say it quite correctly: not proof of God, but that God "wrote" the creation, it's His Bible. If so, then He has charge of it.
No, again, you are still misrepresenting my position.
GOD does not have to step in and personally direct everthing that happens, He was bettern that and created something that runs and is self healing. Part of that is change and evolution.
To attribute things like what happened in New Orleans or Indonesia to Divine Intervention is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, attributing horrific events to the intent of GOD.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Faith 
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Message 127 of 229 (332712)
07-17-2006 10:34 PM
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07-17-2006 10:28 PM


Re: You have a false God jar
You deny what the scripture says, some of which I quoted. The Book of Job is also full of references to God's sovereignty over nature.
If Jesus rules the winds and waves, as the hymn says, is the ruler of all Nature as the other hymn says, then He has control over what a hurricane does.
You prefer your own sentimental idea of God to what He has revealed about Himself, as do so many others here.
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Faith 
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Message 128 of 229 (332713)
07-17-2006 10:41 PM
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07-17-2006 10:28 PM


Re: You have a false God jar
You are like the leaders of Israel who stoned the prophets who warned them of coming judgment. Like the false prophet Hananiah who prophesied peace when Jeremiah was prophesying destruction and captivity. They persecuted Jeremiah for telling the truth. According to Jesus they murdered the prophet Zechariah.
God withheld rain at the prayer of Elijah and ended the famine as well. God does all these things.
Did God bring the destruction of Jerusalem at the hands of the Romans in 70 AD or did that one just sort of escape Him too?
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MUTTY6969
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Message 129 of 229 (332715)
07-17-2006 10:44 PM
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07-17-2006 10:34 PM


So as per the OP, are you at the far end of Fundamentalism? I mean would you say that your version of bible literacy is at the extreme?

You wanna be, uhh, blunt about what has taken place, sometimes when you don't measure, you just shuffle kids through. Then you wake up at the high school level and find out that the illiter -- literacy level of our children are appalling.
-- It sure are, Dubya, it sure are... not to mention adults, Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

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ringo
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Message 130 of 229 (332724)
07-17-2006 11:41 PM
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07-17-2006 10:34 PM


You have a tiny God Faith
Faith writes:
The Book of Job is also full of references to God's sovereignty over nature.
There's a difference between sovereignty and micromanagement.
The fundier the fundie, the pettier the god.
Edited by Ringo, : Subtitle.

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Message 131 of 229 (332726)
07-17-2006 11:44 PM
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07-17-2006 11:41 PM


Re: You have a false God jar
So your God doesn't bother about sparrows that fall out of their nests, and hasn't counted every hair of your head? Mine has.
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Message 132 of 229 (332727)
07-17-2006 11:54 PM
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07-17-2006 11:44 PM


Re: You have a false God jar
Faith writes:
So your God doesn't bother about sparrows that fall out of their nests, and hasn't counted every hair of your head?
God sees the sparrow fall - He doesn't necessarily rescue every one.
If He did, we'd soon be knee-deep in sparrows.
And the hairs of my head are numbered, not counted. Number 64278 fell out today - God didn't replant it.

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jar
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Message 133 of 229 (332728)
07-18-2006 12:02 AM
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07-17-2006 11:54 PM


Re: You have a false God jar
God sees the sparrow fall
But GOD did not knock the little sucker out of mid air.
"Take that you evil sparrow. Probably a homo sparrow anyway!"

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Faith 
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Message 134 of 229 (332729)
07-18-2006 12:12 AM
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07-17-2006 11:54 PM


Re: You have a false God jar
Funny, I don't recall saying anything about rescuing the sparrow.
...or replanting hairs.
Funny, such a huge difference between "counted" and "numbered." Changes the WHOLE meaning! My mistake I guess.

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Message 135 of 229 (332730)
07-18-2006 12:14 AM
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07-18-2006 12:02 AM


Re: You have a false God jar
Save one over here, kill one over there, all to keep everything in perfect balance. I can see where that would keep a guy busy.
Doesn't seem like a very intelligent design though.

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