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Hyroglyphx
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Message 16 of 128 (332555)
07-17-2006 2:05 PM
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07-17-2006 7:23 AM


Danger?
These people are convinced that Jesus is returning soon, and this thread shows that many of the people are rather glad of the current escalation of hostility in the Middle East.
Its not that they're glad that there hostility in the Middle East, they are excited to see Jesus, as am I. They understand that we are right at the door. After Israel became a nation again, nothing else was required in eschatology for the return of Jesus. In Matthew, Jesus tells us about future events that would take place in order for us to be ready for His return. All the nations set to take place in the End of Days, spoken about in Ezekiel and Revelation are presently in conflict.
Isaiah and Ezekiel tell us that Damascus and Aroer will be utterly destoryed. It even hints at a nuclear fallout. Damascus is in Syria and Aroer is in present day Jordan. The only thing that I'm unclear on is which will hapen first, the Rapture of His Bride or the destruction of Damascus. Only time will tell. So, again, its not that anyone is overjoyed that many people will die. In fact, Rapture Ready's goal is to warn people of the impending doom that will befall all of mankind. they warn because they don't want to see people die, either physically and/or spiritually.
What I'd like to discuss is everyone's opinions on how dangerous this apocalyptic attitude is to the world.
What is dangerous about it? Suppose, just for the sake of the argument, that you could see into the future and you knew that these events would in fact take place. What would be more egregious? Allowing people to face the coming wrath or warning people to prepare their hearts for the coming wrath? What is any more dangerous about predicting that the world is becoming increasingly violent than predicting that Global Warming will have disasterous effects in the future?
Saying nothing is far more egregious if you ask me.

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everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 17 of 128 (332559)
07-17-2006 2:13 PM
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07-17-2006 10:18 AM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
Today it is actually possible for man to bring an end to civilization, perhaps even to all life on the earth. If no other steps are taken, we must at least become aware of those people that subscribe to the apocalyptic myth and watch them like hawks. If they are in positions of power their acts and actions must be made public so that we can step in and remove them from those positions if they behave in a manner that is likely to lead to an apocalypse.
Who out there is fighting a war to bring about prophecy? You are acting like some grand conspiracy has been formulated by the heads of nations to make the Apocalypse happen.

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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jar
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Message 18 of 128 (332563)
07-17-2006 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Hyroglyphx
07-17-2006 2:13 PM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
Who out there is fighting a war to bring about prophecy?
Looks like many are. There is the sensless war in Iraq carried out by an idiot President who believes in End Time Prophecy.
You are acting like some grand conspiracy has been formulated by the heads of nations to make the Apocalypse happen.
No, it was not formulated by heads of state, but unfortunately we elected several Presidents who believed in it. We have had several of them now and they have each moved us closer and closer to the reality of Armegeddon. And they do have the capability of making their fantasies reality.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 19 of 128 (332570)
07-17-2006 2:43 PM
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07-17-2006 2:31 PM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
Looks like many are. There is the sensless war in Iraq carried out by an idiot President who believes in End Time Prophecy.
First of all, the war in Iraq isn't senseless. Instead of getting a liberally bias view from a liberally indoctrinated media outlet, get the information by an Iraqi defector who was there. This is a great book, and it would be well with you to read it. Secondly, Iraq has no discernable mention in the Scriptures about fighting in any kind of Apocalyptic event. Maybe you should learn eschatology before you promote vacuous arguments that stem from your own misconceptions.
http://www.integritypublishers.com/news_article.asp?prodi...
No, it was not formulated by heads of state, but unfortunately we elected several Presidents who believed in it. We have hade several of them now and they have each moved us closer and closer to the reality of Armegeddon. And they do have the capability of making their fantasies reality.
For you to believe that anyone is prodding other nations to engage in Apocalyptic warfare is beyond stupid. All it would take is for the US to engage in nuclear warfare. So, if they want it soooo badly, then why hasn't that happened? What an idiotic remark.

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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ringo
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Message 20 of 128 (332574)
07-17-2006 2:50 PM
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07-17-2006 7:23 AM


schrafinator writes:
I think that this site is also interesting because they have separate fora for men and women.
I couldn't find the men's forum - and no, I am not going to ask for directions.
What I found interesting is that they don't allow date-setting or pin-the-tail-on-the-antichrist. That hint of sanity is some comfort, at least - and you don't have to be a Christian or a "pre-tribber" to join.
On the whole, it seems to be a fairly innocuous Christian site. Typically, the OP is followed by 299 versions of "Good answer! Good answer!"
On the other hand, if somebody who believed that tripe was elected to high public office....

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jar
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Message 21 of 128 (332577)
07-17-2006 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Hyroglyphx
07-17-2006 2:43 PM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
First of all, the war in Iraq isn't senseless. Instead of getting a liberally bias view from a liberally indoctrinated media outlet, get the information by an Iraqi defector who was there.
What makes you think I speak from a liberal perspective? I'm coming from a Conservative Christian Republican perspective. And as to the rantings of General Sada, much of what he claims are things that most EVERYONE except those who were wilfully ignorant were saying. It is one of the greatest testaments on just how stupid the war in Iraq was.
For you to believe that anyone is prodding other nations to engage in Apocalyptic warfare is beyond stupid. All it would take is for the US to engage in nuclear warfare. So, if they want it soooo badly, then why hasn't that happened? What an idiotic remark.
Oh, it is more pervasive than that. It goes into the opposition to doing things to mitigate the effects of Global Warming, into our overly uncritical support for Israel, into general attitudes of resource depletion and sustainable development.
Yes, we have seen nothing since Ronald Reagan, probably the most disastrous President in US history, through Bush Senior and also Junior, but short sightede end-timers.
It has been sad.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 22 of 128 (332580)
07-17-2006 3:09 PM
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07-17-2006 7:23 AM


cntrary to what nemesis said, the truth is there is more to be done to ensure the return of christ. the temple must be rebuilt for one. what's fucking terrifying is that christians aren't just sitting around cheering on battle deaths (and civilian murders as well), but they are actively taking part in making this shit worse. do you know how many thousands of jews they fly into israel with the hope of bringing on the end times? the truth is that israel is a democracy. if a horribly fucked up one. so. if you add jews to the voting base, you slowly dissolve the opposition. if you disolve the voice of the opposition, you stand a chance at driving the muslims out of jerusalem. if you drive the muslims out of jerusalem, you can rebuild the temple. after you finish killing all the muslims trying to get back in (and those plotting to get back in, i.e. all of them. mass global islamic genocide). so. you've rebuilt the temple, destroyed the world's muslim population (and most of the countries in between cancer and capricorn), and you sit around and wait for jesus to get pissed enough with all the dumb fucks to come back and put them in their place.
sounds like a great time eh?

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Coragyps
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Message 23 of 128 (332635)
07-17-2006 5:53 PM
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07-17-2006 7:23 AM


Schraf: had I known you weren't aware of RR, I would have said something. Comedy gold!
See http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=265957 , particularly the posts by the somehow oddly named "Wise Sheep."

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Nighttrain
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Message 24 of 128 (332682)
07-17-2006 8:08 PM
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07-17-2006 2:50 PM


Pin the date on the donkey
What I found interesting is that they don't allow date-setting or pin-the-tail-on-the-antichrist. That hint of sanity is some comfort, at least - and you don't have to be a Christian or a "pre-tribber" to join.
Phew, that blocks a link-up with the JW`s.

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nator
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Message 25 of 128 (332707)
07-17-2006 10:22 PM
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07-17-2006 1:44 PM


quote:
By the way, is that you on the pony?
Yep.
A few years ago, though.

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nator
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Message 26 of 128 (332710)
07-17-2006 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Hyroglyphx
07-17-2006 2:05 PM


Re: Danger?
quote:
What is dangerous about it?
What is dangerous is that people like this may very well become numerous enough to put one of their own in powerful governmental positions. Those people might just do everything they can to encourage conflict in that part of the world, and, frankly, might precipitate the start of World War III which may include nuclear holocaust.
quote:
What is any more dangerous about predicting that the world is becoming increasingly violent than predicting that Global Warming will have disasterous effects in the future?
It's funny you should bring up global warming.
IIRC, many of the "the end is near" folks over the centuries, including many business and governmental leaders, have used such religious beliefs to inform their environmental policies.
"Why bother", they have reasoned, "trying to protect the environment for the future when it is clear that the Rapture is very nearly upon us?"

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Buzsaw
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Message 27 of 128 (332717)
07-17-2006 10:54 PM
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07-17-2006 2:31 PM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
None of Israel's wars, including this one involved fundamentalist Christians, nor did fundamentalist Christians effect the creation of the nation of Israel in the first place.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 28 of 128 (332720)
07-17-2006 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by nator
07-17-2006 10:30 PM


Re: Danger?
Schraf writes:
What is dangerous is that people like this may very well become numerous enough to put one of their own in powerful governmental positions. Those people might just do everything they can to encourage conflict in that part of the world, and, frankly, might precipitate the start of World War III which may include nuclear holocaust.
Schraf, imo the premise of your OP is a meanspirited strawman premise. From what I read of your link, nearly all of the good folks responding made it clear that it was the prophecied 2nd advent of messiah/savior Jesus that excited them and that war was being waged, killing people saddened them. This thread is just a meanspirited bashing on your part of Biblical fundamentalists who happen to take the prophesies at face value based on the excellent track record of prophecies having been fulfilled and being fulfilled.
These are indeed exciting days for everyone, especially folks like us who have studied and followed the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy, indicative of the supernatural in the Biblical prophecies. That in no way makes us gleeful of death and suffering. In fact, the same book prophesies tribulation/severe persecution, death and suffering to fundamentalist Christians for these last days and in some parts of the world this has already begun.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Faith 
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Message 29 of 128 (332721)
07-17-2006 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by nator
07-17-2006 10:30 PM


Re: Danger?
... people like this ... Those people ...
Just listen to yourself.
... may very well become numerous enough to put one of their own in powerful governmental positions.
This IS a democratic republic, no? And majority rule is the foundation of it, no? Government of by and for the people, no?
You sound like Pharoah who was scared to death of the population growth of the Israelites among the Egyptians. Let's hear it for a decree to put all first-born Christian males to death!
Better yet, just pass some more laws outlawing Christian beliefs in the public square.
IIRC, many of the "the end is near" folks over the centuries, including many business and governmental leaders, have used such religious beliefs to inform their environmental policies.
Wow, they use their beliefs to inform their politics. Wow, what evil people they must be.
"Why bother", they have reasoned, "trying to protect the environment for the future when it is clear that the Rapture is very nearly upon us?"
Prove this please. I haven't heard such a thing. Are you tarring the majority with the deviations of a few?

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Faith 
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Message 30 of 128 (332722)
07-17-2006 11:35 PM
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07-17-2006 11:08 PM


Re: Danger?
In fact, the same book prophesies tribulation/severe persecution, death and suffering to fundamentalist Christians for these last days and in some parts of the world this has already begun.
And Schraf wants to bring it about in the USA as speedily as possible apparently.

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