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Faith 
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Message 31 of 128 (332723)
07-17-2006 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Buzsaw
07-17-2006 10:54 PM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
Nor has Bush ever said a word about prophecy in relation to any of it that I know of.

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arachnophilia
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Message 32 of 128 (332742)
07-18-2006 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Faith
07-17-2006 11:33 PM


Re: Danger?
This IS a democratic republic, no? And majority rule is the foundation of it, no? Government of by and for the people, no?
tell that to the palestinians who voted for hamas, or the lebanese that voted for hezbollah. we're allowed to have our crazy fundamentalist leaders elected by the people, but you're not allowed to have yours.


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Faith 
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Message 33 of 128 (332745)
07-18-2006 2:05 AM
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07-18-2006 1:23 AM


Re: Danger?
I didn't say they couldn't have Hamas. I thought everybody denied that. I know that's what they wanted.

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arachnophilia
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Message 34 of 128 (332747)
07-18-2006 2:06 AM
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07-18-2006 2:05 AM


Re: Danger?
well, talk to buz wrt hezbollah holding lebanon hostage.

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Faith 
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Message 35 of 128 (332748)
07-18-2006 2:08 AM
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07-18-2006 2:06 AM


Re: Danger?
In the case of Lebanon, a different case from Palestine, I believe they are held hostage by Hezbollah. Though there is also a fair amount of support no doubt. But again, if they WANT Hezbollah, I'm not saying they can't have them.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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arachnophilia
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Message 36 of 128 (332750)
07-18-2006 2:10 AM
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07-18-2006 2:08 AM


Re: Danger?
and what should we do with them if they do, seeing as how hezbollah is commited to the destruction of israel?

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Faith 
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Message 37 of 128 (332751)
07-18-2006 2:11 AM
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07-18-2006 2:10 AM


Re: Danger?
Do what Israel is doing. That calls for war.

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arachnophilia
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Message 38 of 128 (332753)
07-18-2006 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
07-18-2006 2:11 AM


Re: Danger?
then what happens? does the war stop at some point?

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Faith 
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Message 39 of 128 (332754)
07-18-2006 2:23 AM
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07-18-2006 2:16 AM


Re: Danger?
Correction. I spoke unthinkingly. It doesn't call for war unless Hezbollah actually attacks or seriously threatens, as in this case they did. Otherwise their commitment to doing away with Israel simply calls for constant defensive vigilance, which is in fact generally the stance of Israel -- barriers like a fence if possible, military readiness, intelligence operations, attempts to win allies, attempts to strengthen any anti-Hezbollah connections there may be in Lebanon etc. etc. etc. The usual.
As for what about war? Who knows? That's life. You aim to completely de-fang Hezbollah, whatever that takes. You either can or you can't. War is a terrible thing. What else can one do when you have committed terrorists against you? What would you suggest?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 40 of 128 (332778)
07-18-2006 7:40 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by jar
07-17-2006 3:02 PM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
What makes you think I speak from a liberal perspective?
Oh gee, I don't know.... Maybe its because its transparently obvious.
I'm coming from a Conservative Christian Republican perspective.
In what regard are coming from the Conservative Christian Republican view, when all of your avowed views are in total contradiction?
And as to the rantings of General Sada, much of what he claims are things that most EVERYONE except those who were wilfully ignorant were saying. It is one of the greatest testaments on just how stupid the war in Iraq was.
Have you read the book? Have you read the "ramblings" of General Sada in order that you might be able to have some basis for discrediting him, the war, and the reasons they exist?
Oh, it is more pervasive than that. It goes into the opposition to doing things to mitigate the effects of Global Warming, into our overly uncritical support for Israel, into general attitudes of resource depletion and sustainable development.
Mitigate the effects of Global Warming? Okay, I now see that I'm speaking with a conspiracy theorist who is more interested in their X-Files fantasies than with reality. So if you don't mind, I'm going back into subterranean military bunker to hatch a diabolical scheme that will further increase CO2 levels into the atmosphere. Good day sir.
Yes, we have seen nothing since Ronald Reagan, probably the most disastrous President in US history, through Bush Senior and also Junior, but short sightede end-timers.
Ronald Reagan? Yeah, damn him for giving the US the best economy its ever seen, ending the Cold War, and being an overall nice guy. I was sure Nixon was going to take the cake in your mind. I was a bit surprised to here you say Reagan. Being angry at Ronny is like hating your sweet, old grandfather.
Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : No reason given.

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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Coragyps
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Message 41 of 128 (332783)
07-18-2006 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Faith
07-17-2006 11:33 PM


Re: Danger?
Prove this please. I haven't heard such a thing.
Old example:
"My responsibility is to follow the Scriptures which call upon us to occupy the land until Jesus returns." -- James G. Watt, The Washington Post, May 24, 1981

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nator
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Message 42 of 128 (332785)
07-18-2006 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Coragyps
07-17-2006 5:53 PM


Did you note the sig of "ladyhen"?
"Helpmeet of Earl (since 1997)
Mama of Alyssa (age 4.5)"
This woman seems to define herself only through being someone's wife and someone's mother.
Almost as if she didn't exist as a person before being married and giving birth.

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nator
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Message 43 of 128 (332787)
07-18-2006 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Buzsaw
07-17-2006 10:54 PM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
quote:
None of Israel's wars, including this one involved fundamentalist Christians, nor did fundamentalist Christians effect the creation of the nation of Israel in the first place.
Um, it was Christians who pushed for the very creation of Israel, and who redrew the boundries of all the countries in the middle east when they divied them up amongst themselves after occupation.

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nator
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Message 44 of 128 (332791)
07-18-2006 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Buzsaw
07-17-2006 11:08 PM


Re: Danger?
quote:
Schraf, imo the premise of your OP is a meanspirited strawman premise. From what I read of your link, nearly all of the good folks responding made it clear that it was the prophecied 2nd advent of messiah/savior Jesus that excited them and that war was being waged, killing people saddened them.
Yeah.
Not so sad to wish to see it not happen, though.
Their "sadness" at the violence and suffering is shallow, at best.
quote:
This thread is just a meanspirited bashing on your part of Biblical fundamentalists who happen to take the prophesies at face value based on the excellent track record of prophecies having been fulfilled and being fulfilled.
Do you think that if you keep saying that such prophecies have been fulfilled that it will make it true?
In thread after thread, you have failed to convince anyone who doesn't already believe.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 45 of 128 (332795)
07-18-2006 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by macaroniandcheese
07-17-2006 3:09 PM


Misconceptions
cntrary to what nemesis said, the truth is there is more to be done to ensure the return of christ.
Contrary to what Brenna here thinks, you can't force God to move His hand. And the Scriptures will tell you that over and over again. No one can "make" prophecy happen. Its too complicated an affair to predict what sub-series of events will take place. Its like finding a needle in a haystack. The variables required would be so great. Nobody has the ability to do that. Aside from which, if evil American presidents were out to do this, then why haven't they waged an all-out nuclear war? They haven't done that because.... it isn't true.
the temple must be rebuilt for one.
First of all, Jesus IS the Temple. I don't know if you're versed in Scripture at all, but the Chief priests scoffed at Him because He said that He would rebuild the Temple in three days. They laughed at Him because they didn't realize that He was referring to His death, burial, and resurrection. Jesus is the Temple. Secondly, I do not doubt that Revelation hints at the rebuilding of the actual Temple in Jerusalem. In fact, one can hardly see how could not spark controversy, being that Islam's 3rd holiest site, the Dome of the Rock, is situated directly over the original Temple Mount. But surely you can logically surmise that Israel has had the ability to do this for for over 70 years. If they wanted to make this happen, they've innumerable opportunities to do so. That obviously says that your Jewish conspiracy only exists in your convoluted mind.
what's fucking terrifying is that christians aren't just sitting around cheering on battle deaths (and civilian murders as well), but they are actively taking part in making this shit worse.
Brenna, what compels you to believe that Christians sit around cheering battle deaths of slain civilians, and how do they actively participae in making shit worse?
do you know how many thousands of jews they fly into israel with the hope of bringing on the end times?
No Brenna, how would we know something like that? I see that you have a Security Clearance, so if you want us to know about how teh evil Joos "fly in thousands to bring about the end times," then you are going to have to tell us all about it.
the truth is that israel is a democracy.
That's true, they are. They aren't Stalin's paradise.
if a horribly fucked up one. so. if you add jews to the voting base, you slowly dissolve the opposition. if you disolve the voice of the opposition, you stand a chance at driving the muslims out of jerusalem. if you drive the muslims out of jerusalem, you can rebuild the temple.
Uh Brenna, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Muslims aren't going anywhere. And here is why.
ProtestWarrior.com - signs
after you finish killing all the muslims trying to get back in (and those plotting to get back in, i.e. all of them. mass global islamic genocide). so. you've rebuilt the temple, destroyed the world's muslim population (and most of the countries in between cancer and capricorn), and you sit around and wait for jesus to get pissed enough with all the dumb fucks to come back and put them in their place.
You are aware that the majority of Jews do not believe that the Messiah is Jesus, right? That's kind of why their ancestors handed Him over to be crucified in the first place. Furthermore, its impossible for mean, ole Israel to kill all the Muslims without killing themselves, being that they are nestled in between thousands, upon thousands of Muslim occupied land.
Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : No reason given.

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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