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Atheism, a dangerous idea?

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riVeRraT

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Message 219 of 241 (332662)
07-17-2006 6:43 PM

Reply to: Message 218 by jar
07-17-2006 6:21 PM

Re: Implication of superiority

Really? It seems to me that all the morals jesus taught were very subjective.

But only to us.

And so can Christians. Look at the wars, oppression and other great evils done under the guise of following Christ.

Right, we can look at it, examine it, compare it to scripture, and have a debate over whether it really was a "Christian war" or had the backing of God. Try to do that with an atheist.

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Message 223 of 241 (332766)
07-18-2006 6:12 AM

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07-17-2006 6:48 PM

Re: Implication of superiority

Of course I can have the same discussion with an Atheist. In fact there is far more "scripture" in the Atheist world than for the Christian.

Ok then, I have been asking for this scripture throughout this entire thread. A few atheists have shared their own moral ideas. So aside from "not believing in God" just what is this scripture you speak of? And how does it apply to all atheists?

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Message 224 of 241 (332767)
07-18-2006 6:15 AM

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07-17-2006 9:11 PM

Re: One thing at a time.

Please provide an example of an absolute morality stated in the Bible and your reasoning for catagorizing it as absolute.

This is not a thread about Christian morality, it is about whether atheism is a dangerous idea or not.

If I provide an example, we will no doubt debate it, hence proving my point.

Please provide an example of absolute morality of an atheist.

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Message 228 of 241 (333213)
07-19-2006 6:13 AM

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07-18-2006 8:56 AM

Re: Implication of superiority

And on several posts I supplied some examples Rat.

None of it is a standard, they acn choose what to follow, and what not to follow, and make up anything they want along the way. That is my point for the last time.

Instead, they are concerned about morality, ethics, society in a way that few theists can even comprehend.

That is not a 100% statement there. They are not of one accord, and their morality is subjective to what ever they wish to believe in.

Immediatly someone will take that statement as being negative again, I am sure.

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Message 229 of 241 (333214)
07-19-2006 6:16 AM

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07-18-2006 10:40 AM

Re: Christian morality discussion as related to OP

You even seem to hint at this being a problem in your comments about the athiest moral foundation.

I never said it was a problem, I said it is what scares Christians.
No God= no rules. Man becomes God.

Despite the fact that you deny saying subjective morals are a danger, your comments indicate that you have a problem with them.

Subjective morals are a danger, for both religious, and non-religious.

Perhaps you are not the best fundamentalist

Perhaps I am not a fundamentalist.
!@$#!#^$!@#$%
Every Christian is not a fundamentalist.

Please explain why you think that I am.

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Message 236 of 241 (333641)
07-20-2006 8:07 AM

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07-19-2006 6:37 AM

Re: One thing at a time.

no atheist will kill , make war , presecute , defame , disfranshise , exclude , another person because of their religious view .

Cute, but that is not a moral.

a atheist will chosse to do the right thing for no other reason than it is the right thing , this choice will not be tainted by any practice , dogma , ritual , or creed .

Good luck proving that one.

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Message 237 of 241 (333643)
07-20-2006 8:12 AM

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07-19-2006 7:42 AM

Re: Implication of superiority

Thank you for that reply, I think maybe your the first one to get it.
It was such a simple concept, and true, and maybe what scares Christians about atheism.

Then everyone started jumping up and down about why we should be scared of Christianity, when that is not the topic of the thread.

Christianity has many things to be scared of, and I am probably more scared of Christianity, and religion, than atheism.

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Message 239 of 241 (333652)
07-20-2006 8:32 AM

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07-20-2006 8:24 AM

Re: Implication of superiority

My reason for pointing out the subjectiveness of the Christian morals was to refute the statement that the subjective morals of athiests made their ideals dangerous.

I never said it was dangerous, I said it is possible that it scares Christians. Whether that is hypocritical or not, is irrelavant.

It is just funny how the conversation went from there. Very defensive.

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