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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 46 of 128 (332796)
07-18-2006 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 7:40 AM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
Ronald Reagan? Yeah, damn him for giving the US the best economy its ever seen, ending the Cold War, and being an overall nice guy.
hahahahaha
the poles ended the cold war, not ronny. and he nearly single-handedly DESTROYED our economy.

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Message 47 of 128 (332798)
07-18-2006 8:18 AM
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07-17-2006 10:54 PM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
None of Israel's wars, including this one involved fundamentalist Christians, nor did fundamentalist Christians effect the creation of the nation of Israel in the first place.
Wow, a member who is acquainted with fact and not conjecture. If only more people would realize this.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 48 of 128 (332800)
07-18-2006 8:26 AM
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07-18-2006 8:11 AM


Re: Misconceptions
Contrary to what Brenna here thinks, you can't force God to move His hand.
i don't think you can force the hand of god. but millions of tbn watchers do.
No Brenna, how would we know something like that? I see that you have a Security Clearance, so if you want us to know about how teh evil Joos "fly in thousands to bring about the end times."
um. hi. i've seen the ads to send "our brothers to their homeland" a million times on tbn. and they are bringing in all the jews from ethiopia. and russia and germany and poland and blah blah blah. do i have to describe how many people in boca want to move to their "homeland"? seriously. it's madness. these people are so connected to a land they've never been to and people they don't know and aren't related to all because someone's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom might have been from there. even if no one else in the family was. what a nightmare. i think i have a black relative somewhere... do i need to make a pilgrimage to africa?
and i do have security clearance, actually.
You are aware that the majority of Jews do not believe that the Messiah is Jesus, right? That's kind of why their ancestors handed Him over to be crucified in the first place. Furthermore, its impossible for mean, ole Israel to kill all the Muslims without killing themselves, being that they are nestled in between thousands, upon thousands of Muslim occupied land.
doesn't matter that they don't believe in the messiah, you fundies do. the jews are bringing in more jews and fighting off muslims because the torah tells them that the land belongs to them. christians are bringing in jews and fighting off the muslims because they think that the bible tells them that if they do, jesus will come back.
and that's quite bullshit. israel has the only modern army in the area. you remember that six or seven day war? they defeated the whole rest of the arab countries in that time. yeah, i think they can defend themselves. and they have those crazy scary broads in their army. *shudders*
*edit*
First of all, Jesus IS the Temple.
cute. i thought we were the temple? one day it's one thing, one day it's another.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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Message 49 of 128 (332805)
07-18-2006 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Faith
07-17-2006 11:33 PM


Re: Danger?
... people like this ... Those people ...
quote:
Just listen to yourself.
I do, I hope.
quote:
... may very well become numerous enough to put one of their own in powerful governmental positions.
This IS a democratic republic, no? And majority rule is the foundation of it, no? Government of by and for the people, no?
Yes, of course.
Of course, fundamentalist Christians do not have a good track record regarding tolerance of difference and the protection of civil rights for all. In the not-so-distant past, I would have been stoned to death, jailed, or put in the pillory by you people for everyday behaviors and ideas I exhibit and express on a regular basis.
I wonder if you would be saying this if Satanists or Pagans or radical Muslims were heavily represented in our population and government.
quote:
You sound like Pharoah who was scared to death of the population growth of the Israelites among the Egyptians. Let's hear it for a decree to put all first-born Christian males to death!
Making up strawmen is fun, isn't it Faith?
Stop it.
quote:
Better yet, just pass some more laws outlawing Christian beliefs in the public square.
Um, hon? You have a bit of froth dribbling from your chin, there.
IIRC, many of the "the end is near" folks over the centuries, including many business and governmental leaders, have used such religious beliefs to inform their environmental policies.
quote:
Wow, they use their beliefs to inform their politics. Wow, what evil people they must be.
I never said they were evil. I said they were dangerous.
Someone in power can be as well-intentioned as can be but still be so misguided that he rains destruction down upon everyone.
Bush, I believe, is not evil. I do believe he is more or less well-intentioned, but utterly misguided, and not a little callous.
"Why bother", they have reasoned, "trying to protect the environment for the future when it is clear that the Rapture is very nearly upon us?"
quote:
Prove this please. I haven't heard such a thing. Are you tarring the majority with the deviations of a few?
Well, James Watt, Reagan's Interiro Secretary, said at his confirmation hearing, "I do not know how many future generations we can count on before the Lord returns." And, Watt's protege, Gale Norton, just resigned the same position in Bush's
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Forty-five senators and 186 representatives in 2003 earned 80- to 100-percent approval ratings from the nation's three most influential Christian right advocacy groups -- the Christian Coalition, Eagle Forum, and Family Resource Council. Many of those same lawmakers also got flunking grades -- less than 10 percent, on average -- from the League of Conservation Voters last year.
Many End-Timers believe that until Jesus' return, the Lord will provide. In America's Providential History, a popular reconstructionist high-school history textbook, authors Mark Beliles and Stephen McDowell tell us that: "The secular or socialist has a limited resource mentality and views the world as a pie ... that needs to be cut up so everyone can get a piece." However, "the Christian knows that the potential in God is unlimited and that there is no shortage of resources in God's Earth. The resources are waiting to be tapped." In another passage, the writers explain: "While many secularists view the world as overpopulated, Christians know that God has made the earth sufficiently large with plenty of resources to accommodate all of the people."
DeLay is also a self-declared member of the Christian Zionists, an End-Time faction numbering 20 million Americans. Christian Zionists believe that the 1948 creation of the state of Israel marked the first event in what author Hal Lindsey calls the "countdown to Armageddon" and they are committed to making that doomsday clock tick faster, speeding Christ's return.
In 2002, DeLay visited pastor John Hagee's Cornerstone Church. Hagee preached a fiery message as simple as it was horrifying: "The war between America and Iraq is the gateway to the Apocalypse!" he said, urging his followers to support the war, perhaps in order to bring about the Second Coming. After Hagee finished, DeLay rose to second the motion. "Ladies and gentlemen," he said, "what has been spoken here tonight is the truth from God."
But the influence of theology, although less discussed, is no less significant. Inhofe, like DeLay, is a Christian Zionist. While the senator has not overtly expressed his religious views in his environmental committee, he has when speaking on other issues. In a Senate foreign-policy speech, Inhofe argued that the U.S. should ally itself unconditionally with Israel "because God said so." Quoting the Bible as the divine Word of God, Inhofe cited Genesis 13:14-17 -- "for all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed forever" -- as justification for permanent Israeli occupation of the West Bank and for escalating aggression against the Palestinians.
As committee chair, Inhofe has subtly chosen scripture over science. The origins of his 2003 Senate speech attacking the science behind global climate change, for example, reveal his two masters: the speech is traceable to fossil fuel industry think tanks and petrochemical dollars -- but also to the pseudo-science of Christian right websites.

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nator
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Message 50 of 128 (332806)
07-18-2006 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Faith
07-17-2006 11:35 PM


Re: Danger?
In fact, the same book prophesies tribulation/severe persecution, death and suffering to fundamentalist Christians for these last days and in some parts of the world this has already begun.
quote:
And Schraf wants to bring it about in the USA as speedily as possible apparently.
That is not true.
I have never have never, ever stated such a thing. Show me where I have stated that I wished "tribulation/severe persecution, death and suffering to fundamentalist Christians".
If you cannot, retract it and apologize for such a disgusting accusation.

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Message 51 of 128 (332812)
07-18-2006 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 7:40 AM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
quote:
Yeah, damn him for giving the US the best economy its ever seen
What happened to the deficit under good ol' Ronny Reagan?
What happened to the gap between rich and poor under good ol' Ronny?

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jar
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Message 52 of 128 (332814)
07-18-2006 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 7:40 AM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
jar said:
I'm coming from a Conservative Christian Republican perspective.
to which nemesis_juggernaut quiped:
In what regard are coming from the Conservative Christian Republican view, when all of your avowed views are in total contradiction?
Because I happen to be a Conservative Christain republican and so by definition that is my position.
Ronald Reagan? Yeah, damn him for giving the US the best economy its ever seen, ending the Cold War, and being an overall nice guy. I was sure Nixon was going to take the cake in your mind. I was a bit surprised to here you say Reagan. Being angry at Ronny is like hating your sweet, old grandfather.
Well, if any of the things you attributed to Reagan were even close to being true you might have an argument, but soap operas had a bigger effect on ending the Cold War that Ronnie.
As to the stuff in Sada's book, what's new? He makes unsupported allegations and claims that even the village idiot could have made. For example, consider the bit about the alleged dispersal of the supposed WMDs. Now that is exactly what I and many other folk were saying would happen long before the war. If WMDs existed (and so far there has been no indication the do or did) then invading Iraq, even the buildup for an invasion would guarantee the proliferation and distribution of those weapons.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 53 of 128 (332822)
07-18-2006 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by nator
07-18-2006 8:01 AM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
It was also the Christian Phalangists (allowed into the refugee camps by the Israeli army) that massacred the Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila and led to the creation of Hezbollah.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 54 of 128 (332826)
07-18-2006 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by macaroniandcheese
07-18-2006 8:15 AM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
the poles ended the cold war, not ronny.
The Polish ended the Cold War, huh? Now, in all fairness, lets place the blame where it is deserving. Communists destroyed Communism because..... it doesn't work. It never has. Its been an utter failure since its conception. But if you think that Reagan had absolutely no part in stiffling the Cold War from going "hot," then you really do have a skewed view on reality.
Cold War - Wikipedia
and he nearly single-handedly DESTROYED our economy.
I don't know how old you were in the 80's, so perhaps you can't remember the prosperity of those times, but when Reagan took office, he had to clean up the small disaster that was the Carter Administration. And he did just that. He boosted the US morale far beyond its merits and he brought in a change for the better.
Reaganomics - Wikipedia

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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Message 55 of 128 (332828)
07-18-2006 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 7:40 AM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
Being angry at Ronny is like hating your sweet, old grandfather.
He was a professional actor before becoming a professional politician, wasn't he? That sweet grandpa role was a pretty good one, I'll agree.
I really liked that 18% mortgage interest, too. Certainly a sign of a great economy.

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Message 56 of 128 (332836)
07-18-2006 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 9:33 AM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
quote:
I don't know how old you were in the 80's, so perhaps you can't remember the prosperity of those times, but when Reagan took office, he had to clean up the small disaster that was the Carter Administration. And he did just that. He boosted the US morale far beyond its merits and he brought in a change for the better.
I graduated from college in 1990, just as the recession that Reagan created with his deficit-ballooning "trickle-down" foolishness hit.
The bottom fell out of the industry I was training for, because it was based upon people having lots of disposable income to pay well for luxury items.
Add to that the great slashes in financial aid that he made while I was in school, and the fact that he started to tax educational stipends as if they were incomes and not pittances that students survived on while in school, and I was left in pretty bad financial shape just as I saw my potential for earning a good living in my chosen field dry up before my eyes.
What happened to the gap between rich and poor during the Reagan years?
What happened to the deficit during the Reagan years?

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Message 57 of 128 (332838)
07-18-2006 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by macaroniandcheese
07-18-2006 8:26 AM


Re: Misconceptions
i don't think you can force the hand of god. but millions of tbn watchers do.
At what point are you going to substantiate your claims? First of all, TBN is monstrously misguided. If anyone understand that TBN is composed of a bunch of jackals, its me. They embarass me. But at the same time, no one is out on some campaign to bring about the End Times. Its going to happen when its going to hapen, and there is nothing that we can do intentionally to bring it about.
um. hi. i've seen the ads to send "our brothers to their homeland" a million times on tbn. and they are bringing in all the jews from ethiopia. and russia and germany and poland and blah blah blah.
Uh, yeah, the offer for Jews to live abroad has always been on the table. You said that they're trying to recruit people to bring about the End Times! You know, the anti-Semitism is getting a little tired. But I'm sure this is the point in time where you say, "I'm not an anti-Semite, I'm just against Zionism." Well, I'm not calling you an anti-semite, but perhaps you've jumped on the "Israel sucks" bandwagon and have inadvertently fallen under its swoon. The reality is that being anti-zionist is the same thing as anti-semitism. Its just a new face on an old and tired ideology concerning Jewish conspiracies.
do i have to describe how many people in boca want to move to their "homeland"? seriously. it's madness.
Its madness that Jews want to live in Israel? If you're from Boca Raton, I'd think that would be welcomed, being that South Florida has more Jews per capita than anywhere else on the planet.
these people are so connected to a land they've never been to and people they don't know and aren't related to all because someone's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom might have been from there. even if no one else in the family was. what a nightmare. i think i have a black relative somewhere... do i need to make a pilgrimage to africa?
Maybe you don't have any sense of fealty, and that's okay. I think pride on any level is sin. To me, there is a difference between standing with your country and a blind allegiance to that country. Its a subtlty that is difficult to articulate. But I don't think you should demonize Jews for wanting to go to Israel, especially in lieu of what happens to them on a daily basis. And before you ask, me taking a pro-Israel stance does not entail me being anti-Palestinian. I already know that there are thousands of Palestinians who have inadvertently been brought into this disaster. Its no fault of their own. But I do place the blame almost entirely on Hezbollah and Hamas for feeding these innocent people's minds with garbage. And for how much restraint Israel has demonstrated, its time to drain the swamp of Islamo-fascism.
doesn't matter that they don't believe in the messiah, you fundies do.
What?!?!? Okay, now I know that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. The Jews DO believe in the Messiah and have been awaiting their Moshiac since the time of King David.... And even before that, in Moses' time, he spoke about the One that would come out of Israel. They just didn't believe that Jesus was the Messiah. But they will.
"And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication. Then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn son." -Zechariah 12:10
the jews are bringing in more jews and fighting off muslims because the torah tells them that the land belongs to them. christians are bringing in jews and fighting off the muslims because they think that the bible tells them that if they do, jesus will come back.
First of all, you could just as easily turn your argument around on yourself by making the unmistakable notion that Muslims are bringing in more Muslims to kil Jews. So, even supposing what you said was true, what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander? Secondly, show me where in the Bible that it says Christians will bring Jews to Israel so that Jesus will come back? Jesus is coming whether we want Him to or not. And nothing we can do can speed up what has already happened. If God is real then He lives outside of the time domain and knows all before it happens in real time. So how we can we change what was already written in the annals of time?
"And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, (Jesse is David's father, the Root is the Moshiac) who will stand as a banner to the people; for the Gentiles will seek Him, and His resting place shall be glorious. It shall come to pass in that Day that the Lord shall set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of His people who are left." -Isaiah 11:10-11
Both verses I cited were written 700 years before Jesus was alive. Both are unmistakably Messianic, thus invalidating that Jews don't believe in a Messiah, and also invalidates that it was inserted by Christians. Its all there if you take the time to read it.
and that's quite bullshit. israel has the only modern army in the area. you remember that six or seven day war? they defeated the whole rest of the arab countries in that time. yeah, i think they can defend themselves. and they have those crazy scary broads in their army. *shudders*
I know they can defend themselves. And soon they will defend themselves from an atack from Russia, and under them, a host of unified nations. I know what they are capable of. I know how the story ends.
quote:
First of all, Jesus IS the Temple.
cute. i thought we were the temple? one day it's one thing, one day it's another.
I don't know who you are, but I'm apart of the church. And "The Church" is supposed to be a body of believers, not some organized entity engaged in racketeering. The "Temple" is Jesus. However, the Jews will try to rebuild the physical Temple. And yes, i do think that it will ignite a firestorm because of what currently resides on the Temple foundation.

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everyone who asks you a reason for the
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Message 58 of 128 (332851)
07-18-2006 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 10:19 AM


Re: Misconceptions
The reality is that being anti-zionist is the same thing as anti-semitism.
well, not neccessarily. first of all, semites are all the sons of shem, and that include arabs. and being hebrew-friendly doesn't require supporting every crazed zionist rant -- especially the ones that go off on the neighbours of zion.
i'm all in support of a solid and peaceful state of israel. but that doesn't mean that i can't think israel should stay out palestine or lebanon. i have a very deep respect for judaism in general, but that doesn't mean i have to support every extremist religious idea than any jewish person comes up with. are you going to call me an anti-semite too, for not supporting the modern zionist movement? i was quite amused when faith accused me of antisemitism -- lots of cognitive dissonance on that one. here i am signing all my posts in hebrew, and consistently arguing a jewish point of view on scripture, and i'm a jew-hater?
you can be anti-zionist without being anti-zion, or anti-israel, or anti-jew, or anti-semitic. i just happen to see the same kind of hate mongering in the zionist camps as i do in the fundamentalist islamic camps in palestine.
Its madness that Jews want to live in Israel? If you're from Boca Raton, I'd think that would be welcomed, being that South Florida has more Jews per capita than anywhere else on the planet.
somehow, that statistic does not suprise me.
but yes, right now it is madness that anyone wants to move to anywhere in the middle east. but the particular point that i think brenna was highlighting is that most jews here are not israeli -- it's not their homeland; it's their holyland. they feel the connection to land not because they come from there, but because it is sacred to their faith.


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Message 59 of 128 (332867)
07-18-2006 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by jar
07-18-2006 9:14 AM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
Because I happen to be a Conservative Christain republican and so by definition that is my position.
Let me get this straight: You are a Conservative Christian Republican who thinks Reagan is the worst President in US history, followed closely behind by Dubya, who constantly attacks his fellow Christians, who repeatedly advocates evolution, who otherwise takes a liberal stance on everything else... Does that sound about right?
Explain to me how you are a Conservative Christian Republican:
1. Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of god?
2. Who did you vote for in the last 4 Presidential runnings?
3. Do you believe that morality is absolute?
Well, if any of the things you attributed to Reagan were even close to being true you might have an argument, but soap operas had a bigger effect on ending the Cold War that Ronnie.
So you seriously believe that Ronald Reagan had absolutely nothing to do with the ending of the Cold War? He was just an innocent bystander who just so happened to be President during the collapse of the Soviet Union? All his meetings with Gorbachev were in vain? They accomplished nothing?
As to the stuff in Sada's book, what's new? He makes unsupported allegations and claims that even the village idiot could have made.
I'm assuming that the "village idiot" is your fellow Conservative Christian Republican, George W. Bush. Is that accurate?
Georges Sada is an incredibly reliable source. He wasn't some enlisted man or low level Officer. He was a General for the Republic of Iraq.
For example, consider the bit about the alleged dispersal of the supposed WMDs. Now that is exactly what I and many other folk were saying would happen long before the war. If WMDs existed (and so far there has been no indication the do or did) then invading Iraq, even the buildup for an invasion would guarantee the proliferation and distribution of those weapons.
Let me quote one of your political foes:
"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq, or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted-for stocks of biological and chemical weapons." -William Jefferson Clinton
"For years now people have been asking what happened to the WMD's... Everybody understood the reality at the start of the war; I'm convinced it was only politics that made some people change their minds after the fact. But the world has been thinking about WMD's since at least 1990. This was one of the reasons that America decided to invade Iraq in the first place... when Saddam finally grasped the fact that i was just a mater of time until Iraq would be invaded by American and coalition forces, he knew he would have to take special measures to destroy, hide, or at least disguise his stashes of biological and chemical weapons... much to the good fortune, a natural disaster in neighboring Syria provided the perfect cover story for moving a large number of those things out the country... On June 4, 2002, a three-mile-long irrigation dam, which had been drawing water from the Orontes River in the northeastern district of Zeyzoun, Syria, collapsed, inundating three small villages and destroying scores of homes... when President Bashar al-Assad asked for help from Jordan and Iraq, Saddam knew what he would do. For him, the disaster in Syria was a gift, and there, posing as shipments of supplies and equipment sent from Iraq to aid in the relief effort, were Iraq's WMD's... Who would suspect commercial airliners of carrying deadly toxins and contraband technology out of the country?.. Subsequently, I spoke at length to a former civilian airline captain who detailed information about those flights... So this is my plea, and I say it with all my heart: Mr. President Bashar al-Assad, please turn over these weapons. Let the united Nations take them away, and the whole world will thank you."-Gen. Georges Sada (Ret)
The whole world except liberals.
A great deal of Americans under the media's swoon. And you've bought into the lie.
http://www.mediaresearch.org/mp3/welcome.asp
We already know that he's had them before. Does everyone suffer from amnesia? We know that he's used them before. Let me refresh your memory:
“We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” ” From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry on October 9, 1998
This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” - From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos
“Saddam’s goal . is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed.” ” Madeline Albright, 1998
“What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” - Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” - Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
Most of the time, the Left has no forsight or hindsight.

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Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
GO NJ!!

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