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jar
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Message 4 of 128 (332497)
07-17-2006 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
07-17-2006 7:23 AM


One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
What I'd like to discuss is everyone's opinions on how dangerous this apocalyptic attitude is to the world.
Yes, IMHO it is the one of the greatest dangers facing mankind. It is not new, there have been apocalyptic cults down through the ages, the folk at Jonestown, the Heavens Gate people, the Manson Family and others. In the past they could simply be ignored as only a threat to themselves and little danger to the rest of the world.
Today though we can no longer simply laugh them aside. Today it is actually possible for man to bring an end to civilization, perhaps even to all life on the earth. If no other steps are taken, we must at least become aware of those people that subscribe to the apocalyptic myth and watch them like hawks. If they are in positions of power their acts and actions must be made public so that we can step in and remove them from those positions if they behave in a manner that is likely to lead to an apocalypse.
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jar
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Message 15 of 128 (332551)
07-17-2006 1:49 PM
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07-17-2006 1:44 PM


As I understand it all xians believe Jesus will come back one day. Is it any more palettable that that time is way in the future (so no one mentions it) or in the near future (wich makes one take a long hard look at what it would logically mean)?
The difference is in how different Christian groups see the incident.
For many of us there is no one moment where Jesus returns and all are either condemned or pardoned, rather it is an individual moment that each of us will face.

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jar
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Message 18 of 128 (332563)
07-17-2006 2:31 PM
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07-17-2006 2:13 PM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
Who out there is fighting a war to bring about prophecy?
Looks like many are. There is the sensless war in Iraq carried out by an idiot President who believes in End Time Prophecy.
You are acting like some grand conspiracy has been formulated by the heads of nations to make the Apocalypse happen.
No, it was not formulated by heads of state, but unfortunately we elected several Presidents who believed in it. We have had several of them now and they have each moved us closer and closer to the reality of Armegeddon. And they do have the capability of making their fantasies reality.
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jar
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Message 21 of 128 (332577)
07-17-2006 3:02 PM
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07-17-2006 2:43 PM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
First of all, the war in Iraq isn't senseless. Instead of getting a liberally bias view from a liberally indoctrinated media outlet, get the information by an Iraqi defector who was there.
What makes you think I speak from a liberal perspective? I'm coming from a Conservative Christian Republican perspective. And as to the rantings of General Sada, much of what he claims are things that most EVERYONE except those who were wilfully ignorant were saying. It is one of the greatest testaments on just how stupid the war in Iraq was.
For you to believe that anyone is prodding other nations to engage in Apocalyptic warfare is beyond stupid. All it would take is for the US to engage in nuclear warfare. So, if they want it soooo badly, then why hasn't that happened? What an idiotic remark.
Oh, it is more pervasive than that. It goes into the opposition to doing things to mitigate the effects of Global Warming, into our overly uncritical support for Israel, into general attitudes of resource depletion and sustainable development.
Yes, we have seen nothing since Ronald Reagan, probably the most disastrous President in US history, through Bush Senior and also Junior, but short sightede end-timers.
It has been sad.

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jar
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Message 52 of 128 (332814)
07-18-2006 9:14 AM
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07-18-2006 7:40 AM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
jar said:
I'm coming from a Conservative Christian Republican perspective.
to which nemesis_juggernaut quiped:
In what regard are coming from the Conservative Christian Republican view, when all of your avowed views are in total contradiction?
Because I happen to be a Conservative Christain republican and so by definition that is my position.
Ronald Reagan? Yeah, damn him for giving the US the best economy its ever seen, ending the Cold War, and being an overall nice guy. I was sure Nixon was going to take the cake in your mind. I was a bit surprised to here you say Reagan. Being angry at Ronny is like hating your sweet, old grandfather.
Well, if any of the things you attributed to Reagan were even close to being true you might have an argument, but soap operas had a bigger effect on ending the Cold War that Ronnie.
As to the stuff in Sada's book, what's new? He makes unsupported allegations and claims that even the village idiot could have made. For example, consider the bit about the alleged dispersal of the supposed WMDs. Now that is exactly what I and many other folk were saying would happen long before the war. If WMDs existed (and so far there has been no indication the do or did) then invading Iraq, even the buildup for an invasion would guarantee the proliferation and distribution of those weapons.

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jar
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Message 53 of 128 (332822)
07-18-2006 9:27 AM
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07-18-2006 8:01 AM


Re: One of the greatest dangers facing mankind.
It was also the Christian Phalangists (allowed into the refugee camps by the Israeli army) that massacred the Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila and led to the creation of Hezbollah.

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jar
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Message 61 of 128 (332877)
07-18-2006 12:09 PM
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07-18-2006 11:50 AM


OT but maybe I can pull it back.
nemesis_juggernaut asked:
Explain to me how you are a Conservative Christian Republican:
1. Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of god?
2. Who did you vote for in the last 4 Presidential runnings?
3. Do you believe that morality is absolute?
I am a conservative Christian Republican because I am a Christain, registered Republican and espouse a conservative agenda.
I believe that Jesus is the Son of GOD.
Who I voted for is absolutely none of your business. In the US one gets to vote in secret and one votes ones conscience and beliefs.
And morality is not absolute.
But none of that has anything to do with the madness that is the End-Timers. The concept of some pending Armaggedon is simply silly, but unfortunately when there are people in positions of great power that believe in it, it is also something to be feared.

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jar
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Message 71 of 128 (332956)
07-18-2006 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 12:44 PM


Re: OT but maybe I can pull it back.
If morality is not absolute then nothing is wrong and everything is permissable, including Israel in Lebanon and the US in Iraq.
Oh really? If so then take it to one of the threads dealing with morality. But I will say NO ONE has ever been able to point to an absolute moral rule.

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jar
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Message 83 of 128 (333075)
07-18-2006 8:03 PM
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07-18-2006 5:55 PM


Way to far off topic but ...
Okay. Then my point still stands. If there is no absolute morality then right and wrong is just an opinion, which makes my morality just as valid as yours. If that's the case, then you are no position to ever criticize anyone's version of morality. And lastly, you are no position to condemn anyone over their "opinion."
So much for relativism.
When some one makes a statement that is that absurd, it has to at least be acknowledged.
Look NJ, that is simply patently false and if you really think for even a second that you can defend either what you posted above, or the existance of absolute morals, start a thread on it or stop insulting our intellegence with such nonsense.

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