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Message 61 of 116 (332997)
07-18-2006 4:45 PM
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07-18-2006 4:41 PM


Re: On Faith's allegations.
Same here I read a fair share of the bible, I didn't touch the new testament though. i finished somewhere like 6 or 7 books after numbers. I can't exactly remember where.
All I remember is alot of killing, persecution, suffering a few bits about health codes, covering the feet and knowing the wives. Of course the language was such that it wasn't terribly violent the way normal violence is now a days. Was more like it was summarizing an aftermath. I mean though its literature...easily one of the most influential pieces of western literature but literature none the less...

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Message 62 of 116 (332998)
07-18-2006 4:46 PM


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jar's belief statement is not the topic here. If everyone wants to continue discussing it,Jar's Beliefs - Part Two can be started in PNT.
The topic is leftist media.

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    Message 63 of 116 (333000)
    07-18-2006 4:48 PM
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    07-18-2006 4:41 PM


    quite so. and i can see why. because people are idiots and instead of judging each story based on the reporter who presents it, they judge the program and the network as a whole. the reporters write their own material. they don't read from a big government aproved script. that's the way it goes. people have different opinions and different biases and they are quite apparent in the writing presented.
    but try telling that to most people.

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    robinrohan
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    Message 64 of 116 (333005)
    07-18-2006 5:02 PM
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    07-18-2006 4:45 PM


    Re: On Faith's allegations.
    All I remember is alot of killing, persecution, suffering a few bits about health codes
    Yeah, I like those parts. The business about how to prepare food I found quite interesting. Ecclesiastes is mighty fine.

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    Message 65 of 116 (333011)
    07-18-2006 5:18 PM
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    07-18-2006 5:02 PM


    Re: On Faith's allegations.
    But as i understand, the 'best' way to read it is from new testament then to the old testament. I think the justification was that it puts the changes into context or something like that.

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    Message 66 of 116 (333013)
    07-18-2006 5:20 PM
    Reply to: Message 13 by Faith
    07-18-2006 12:31 PM


    Re: Goldberg's book "Bias"
    the BBC, also left wing
    The BBC is an interesting case. As apparently is the case with PBR it historically gets castigated for being both too left wing and too right wing (by people from the opposing side obviously).
    That suggests to me it is somewhere in the centre - although overall I would put it slightly left of centre.
    I'm only talking about the news department here - the drama and documentary sides have always tended strongly to the left.

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    robinrohan
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    Message 67 of 116 (333014)
    07-18-2006 5:22 PM
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    07-18-2006 5:18 PM


    Re: On Faith's allegations.
    But as i understand, the 'best' way to read it is from new testament then to the old testament. I think the justification was that it puts the changes into context or something like that.
    We're off-topic but a PNT about reading the Bible might be possible. In the NT, besides the Gospels, Romans is a hoot.

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    Hyroglyphx
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    Message 68 of 116 (333028)
    07-18-2006 5:40 PM
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    07-18-2006 2:29 PM


    Re: The Liberal Media
    You didn't happen to mentin that the "Media Research Centre" WAS run by a conservative organisation either, did you ?
    Its obvious what they believed. It shouldn't even be relevant. Watch the videos. All they did was place the footage on their website.
    And your comments about "quote mining" practically admit that the MRC is engaged in misrepresentation by taking quotes out of context or otherwise doctoring them - which is what "quote mining" is.o
    The quotes I was referring to did not come from the MRC. So much for that theory.

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    Message 69 of 116 (333036)
    07-18-2006 5:53 PM
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    07-18-2006 5:40 PM


    Re: The Liberal Media
    It should only be obvious to people who check.
    quote:
    The quotes I was referring to did not come from the MRC. So much for that theory.
    You really ought to think about your responses. You claimed that MRC presented quotes from other sources and YOU linked that practice to quote mining - which is taking quotes from other people and presenting them out of context or otherwise misrepresenting them.
    I'm just reporting what you said - and pointing out the implications.

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    Message 70 of 116 (333043)
    07-18-2006 6:05 PM
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    07-18-2006 5:53 PM


    Re: The Liberal Media
    You really ought to think about your responses. You claimed that MRC presented quotes from other sources and YOU linked that practice to quote mining - which is taking quotes from other people and presenting them out of context or otherwise misrepresenting them. I'm just reporting what you said - and pointing out the implications.
    No, you misunderstood me. I said anyone scoffing at that is like when I'm charged with quote mining as if it was I who made the statements.
    In other words, blaming the MRC for playing video footage of the liberal media is like blaming me for posting quotes of what somebody else said.

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    Message 71 of 116 (333044)
    07-18-2006 6:07 PM
    Reply to: Message 1 by nator
    07-18-2006 7:53 AM


    The Classic Lie
    Is that the media is too "liberal" (not "leftist")
    Strictly speaking "leftist" is anything left of center.
    Of course there is no distinction for people that only see things in black and white between {a little left of hard right} and {socialism\communism}.
    As noted the business of news is to sell news -- and whatever "news" is watched by more people is what you get more of the next time around.
    What this means is that if you see news as being too "left" or too "liberal" ... YOU are in the minority (ie -- to the right) of the average viewers.
    This is why we get media circus events where all the news media try to cover the same nonsense story. This is also why they spend so much (TV an Radio) time advertising themselves.
    Personally I would welcome a leftist or liberal media rather than a "roll-over and play dead" media on any real issues that might upset people who like to be comfortable with their news.
    A "liberal" news media would not be "embedded" in one side of a story, but try to cover both sides.
    I listened to a (Open Source, on PBS) program on the media bias
    Truth, Balance and the News | Open Source with Christopher Lydon
    (there is a link to listen to the show)
    One of the "rightist" commentators was asked what he wanted news to be, and he said a balance between good and bad stories. When challenged on good stories all he could come up with were the capture of Saddam, the elections in Iraq and a couple of other OLD news items that HAD been covered in the news.
    It seems to me that what the "rightist" agenda wants to end up with is a "feel good" news media that only reports things that make people feel good, that it coddles to their political whimsy and the like.
    News should make people feel uncomfortable, especially about any and all {unsubstantiated assumptions, untested beliefs, sublimated biased opinions} they use to make personal choices -- it should challenge you to think about what you believe, think and feel.
    That is what a real "liberal" media would do.
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    Message 72 of 116 (333048)
    07-18-2006 6:11 PM
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    07-18-2006 6:07 PM


    Re: The Classic Lie
    It seems to me that what the "rightist" agenda wants to end up with is a "feel good" news media that only reports things that make people feel good, that it coddles to their political whimsy and the like.
    I'd say you get that from both sides, but I agree with you that that's no good.

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    Message 73 of 116 (333050)
    07-18-2006 6:17 PM
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    07-18-2006 6:05 PM


    Re: The Liberal Media
    quote:
    No, you misunderstood me. I said anyone scoffing at that is like when I'm charged with quote mining as if it was I who made the statements.
    When you are charged with quote mining it MEANS that you took statements made BY OTHER PEOPLE and took them out of context or otherwise misrepresented them. I explained that.
    Like I said, you ought to think about your responses. The fact that you don't understand what quote mining is, even after it's just been explained to you hardly makes you look good..

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    Message 74 of 116 (333052)
    07-18-2006 6:20 PM


    Bill Moyers on media bias
    I stumbled into a web page where Bill Moyers gives his ideas on Getting it Right, But Not Right Wing. It might be of interest to the readers of this thread.

    Compassionate conservatism - bringing you a kinder, gentler torture chamber

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    Message 75 of 116 (333056)
    07-18-2006 6:25 PM
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    07-18-2006 6:20 PM


    Re: Bill Moyers on media bias
    I came to see that news is what people want to keep hidden, and everything else is publicity.
    (from Bill Moyer's speech).
    I like it.

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