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Author Topic:   Critique of Ann Coulter's The Church of Liberalism: Godless
arachnophilia
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Message 121 of 298 (333016)
07-18-2006 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by MangyTiger
07-18-2006 2:55 PM


Re: Is ignorance bliss?
I'm half tempted to try and read up some of her stuff to see if she's as great as NJ says or as bad as most of the rest of you say.
don't, it'll just make you angry. and then she's won.


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arachnophilia
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Message 122 of 298 (333018)
07-18-2006 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by macaroniandcheese
07-18-2006 5:12 PM


Re: Let's try this again
it's not like the classes are hard.
yeah. it's not like pottery or anything.


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crashfrog
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Message 123 of 298 (333020)
07-18-2006 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 9:16 AM


Re: Let's try this again
Would you say that she makes pretty good arguments even if you don't agree with her view?
No, I don't. She consistently misrepresents her opponents, misrepresents the facts, misrepresents logic. The things she says are often literally untrue. Why would I think those are good arguments?
What she's good at is playing to her audience. Legitimising their desire to delegitimise their opponents. Let's be honest - sometimes it seems like a major drag to engage your opponents in civil, polite discussion. It's hard. It's much easier and a lot more satisfying to sling mud, sometimes. All Coulter does is make it seem like it's ok to do that.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 124 of 298 (333022)
07-18-2006 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by arachnophilia
07-18-2006 5:26 PM


Re: Let's try this again
seriously.

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Jazzns
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Message 125 of 298 (333032)
07-18-2006 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by nator
07-18-2006 9:27 AM


Re: Let's try this again
I hate when conservatives compare Michael Moore with Anne Coulter.
Moore is just a loudmouthed liberal. Anne Coulter is quite possibly the anti-Christ. Certainly at least some kind of Satan spawn.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 126 of 298 (333045)
07-18-2006 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by crashfrog
07-18-2006 5:29 PM


Re: Let's try this again
No, I don't. She consistently misrepresents her opponents, misrepresents the facts, misrepresents logic. The things she says are often literally untrue. Why would I think those are good arguments?
Okay, so you're calling her a liar, which obviously means that you've uncovered some lies. Do you have any specifics that we might be able to uncover the truth?

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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Jazzns
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Message 127 of 298 (333046)
07-18-2006 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 6:08 PM


Re: Let's try this again
How about calling all public teachers agents of the liberal agenda who plot to fill our children's minds with lies so that they grow up to deny God.
Edited by Jazzns, : Typo

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 128 of 298 (333051)
07-18-2006 6:18 PM
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07-18-2006 6:10 PM


Re: Let's try this again
How about calling all public teachers agents of the liberal agenda who plot to fill our children's minds with lies so that they grow up to deny God.
Okay.......

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Cthulhu
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Message 129 of 298 (333054)
07-18-2006 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 9:16 AM


Re: Let's try this again
Do you really find her that objectionable?
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."
Yes, yes I do.

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Jazzns
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Message 130 of 298 (333062)
07-18-2006 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 6:18 PM


Re: Let's try this again
You if you cannot see that as an obvious lie or equivalent of a lie then something is seriously wrong.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 131 of 298 (333068)
07-18-2006 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Cthulhu
07-18-2006 6:22 PM


Re: Let's try this again
quote:
Do you really find her that objectionable?
quote:
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."
Yes, yes I do.
Oh for heavens sake... Don't you get it? She's playing into liberal claims about conservatites. Its called satire. And you quite possibly are the only human being not able to pick up on it. You probably read that one line on a blog. In order to understand Ann, her humor, and her points, you need to read her books.

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 132 of 298 (333069)
07-18-2006 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Jazzns
07-18-2006 6:50 PM


Re: Let's try this again
You if you cannot see that as an obvious lie or equivalent of a lie then something is seriously wrong.
I was just hoping that someone might, you know, use specifics to get their point across. From my vantage point she referrences everything. It would be incredibly stupid to make up a lie, any lie, when you're Ann Coulter... And no matter if you like her or not, nobody can call her stupid.
So, it stands to reason that some evidence of the alleged lie(s) must be presented in order to make such a claim.

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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crashfrog
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Posts: 19762
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Message 133 of 298 (333070)
07-18-2006 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 7:34 PM


Re: Let's try this again
Don't you get it? She's playing into liberal claims about conservatites. Its called satire. And you quite possibly are the only human being not able to pick up on it.
Don't you get it? She's totally serious. How do I know? Because when people ask her if she's totally serious when she says things like that, she replies that she's totally serious, and she means every word. Interview after interview, she reiterates how serious she is.
She's totally serious, NJ. It isn't "satire", it's her honest, unvarnished position. I realize the thought that she's just a joker saves you from having to face the fact that conservatisim is a movement largely built on these ridiculous positions, but you need to face the facts - she's totally serious.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1467 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 134 of 298 (333071)
07-18-2006 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 7:36 PM


Re: Let's try this again
It would be incredibly stupid to make up a lie, any lie, when you're Ann Coulter...
Why? Conservatives won't check her references, because they agree with her; liberals won't read her books in the first place. Exactly what do you think she has to lose in a lie?

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 135 of 298 (333072)
07-18-2006 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 7:36 PM


Re: Let's try this again
arach specifically referenced lots of things... twice. you failed to bother to look.

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