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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Here is an interesting message boads I recently located called "rapture ready".
These people are convinced that Jesus is returning soon, and this thread shows that many of the people are rather glad of the current escalation of hostility in the Middle East. They seem to have the good grace to be a bit torn due to the deaths and suffering and all, but not so upset that they can't also talk about their scrapbooking in the same thread. (what IS it about these Christian women and scrapbooking? They ALL seem to do it) Anyway, I think that this site is also interesting because they have separate fora for men and women. This site alone has over 10,000 active users. What I'd like to discuss is everyone's opinions on how dangerous this apocalyptic attitude is to the world. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yep. A few years ago, though.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What is dangerous is that people like this may very well become numerous enough to put one of their own in powerful governmental positions. Those people might just do everything they can to encourage conflict in that part of the world, and, frankly, might precipitate the start of World War III which may include nuclear holocaust.
quote: It's funny you should bring up global warming. IIRC, many of the "the end is near" folks over the centuries, including many business and governmental leaders, have used such religious beliefs to inform their environmental policies. "Why bother", they have reasoned, "trying to protect the environment for the future when it is clear that the Rapture is very nearly upon us?"
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Did you note the sig of "ladyhen"?
"Helpmeet of Earl (since 1997)Mama of Alyssa (age 4.5)" This woman seems to define herself only through being someone's wife and someone's mother. Almost as if she didn't exist as a person before being married and giving birth.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Um, it was Christians who pushed for the very creation of Israel, and who redrew the boundries of all the countries in the middle east when they divied them up amongst themselves after occupation.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yeah. Not so sad to wish to see it not happen, though. Their "sadness" at the violence and suffering is shallow, at best.
quote: Do you think that if you keep saying that such prophecies have been fulfilled that it will make it true? In thread after thread, you have failed to convince anyone who doesn't already believe.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
... people like this ... Those people ... quote: I do, I hope.quote: Yes, of course. Of course, fundamentalist Christians do not have a good track record regarding tolerance of difference and the protection of civil rights for all. In the not-so-distant past, I would have been stoned to death, jailed, or put in the pillory by you people for everyday behaviors and ideas I exhibit and express on a regular basis. I wonder if you would be saying this if Satanists or Pagans or radical Muslims were heavily represented in our population and government.
quote: Making up strawmen is fun, isn't it Faith? Stop it.
quote: Um, hon? You have a bit of froth dribbling from your chin, there.
IIRC, many of the "the end is near" folks over the centuries, including many business and governmental leaders, have used such religious beliefs to inform their environmental policies. quote: I never said they were evil. I said they were dangerous. Someone in power can be as well-intentioned as can be but still be so misguided that he rains destruction down upon everyone. Bush, I believe, is not evil. I do believe he is more or less well-intentioned, but utterly misguided, and not a little callous.
"Why bother", they have reasoned, "trying to protect the environment for the future when it is clear that the Rapture is very nearly upon us?" quote: Well, James Watt, Reagan's Interiro Secretary, said at his confirmation hearing, "I do not know how many future generations we can count on before the Lord returns." And, Watt's protege, Gale Norton, just resigned the same position in Bush's
link Forty-five senators and 186 representatives in 2003 earned 80- to 100-percent approval ratings from the nation's three most influential Christian right advocacy groups -- the Christian Coalition, Eagle Forum, and Family Resource Council. Many of those same lawmakers also got flunking grades -- less than 10 percent, on average -- from the League of Conservation Voters last year. Many End-Timers believe that until Jesus' return, the Lord will provide. In America's Providential History, a popular reconstructionist high-school history textbook, authors Mark Beliles and Stephen McDowell tell us that: "The secular or socialist has a limited resource mentality and views the world as a pie ... that needs to be cut up so everyone can get a piece." However, "the Christian knows that the potential in God is unlimited and that there is no shortage of resources in God's Earth. The resources are waiting to be tapped." In another passage, the writers explain: "While many secularists view the world as overpopulated, Christians know that God has made the earth sufficiently large with plenty of resources to accommodate all of the people." DeLay is also a self-declared member of the Christian Zionists, an End-Time faction numbering 20 million Americans. Christian Zionists believe that the 1948 creation of the state of Israel marked the first event in what author Hal Lindsey calls the "countdown to Armageddon" and they are committed to making that doomsday clock tick faster, speeding Christ's return. In 2002, DeLay visited pastor John Hagee's Cornerstone Church. Hagee preached a fiery message as simple as it was horrifying: "The war between America and Iraq is the gateway to the Apocalypse!" he said, urging his followers to support the war, perhaps in order to bring about the Second Coming. After Hagee finished, DeLay rose to second the motion. "Ladies and gentlemen," he said, "what has been spoken here tonight is the truth from God." But the influence of theology, although less discussed, is no less significant. Inhofe, like DeLay, is a Christian Zionist. While the senator has not overtly expressed his religious views in his environmental committee, he has when speaking on other issues. In a Senate foreign-policy speech, Inhofe argued that the U.S. should ally itself unconditionally with Israel "because God said so." Quoting the Bible as the divine Word of God, Inhofe cited Genesis 13:14-17 -- "for all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed forever" -- as justification for permanent Israeli occupation of the West Bank and for escalating aggression against the Palestinians. As committee chair, Inhofe has subtly chosen scripture over science. The origins of his 2003 Senate speech attacking the science behind global climate change, for example, reveal his two masters: the speech is traceable to fossil fuel industry think tanks and petrochemical dollars -- but also to the pseudo-science of Christian right websites.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
In fact, the same book prophesies tribulation/severe persecution, death and suffering to fundamentalist Christians for these last days and in some parts of the world this has already begun. quote: That is not true. I have never have never, ever stated such a thing. Show me where I have stated that I wished "tribulation/severe persecution, death and suffering to fundamentalist Christians". If you cannot, retract it and apologize for such a disgusting accusation.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What happened to the deficit under good ol' Ronny Reagan? What happened to the gap between rich and poor under good ol' Ronny?
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I graduated from college in 1990, just as the recession that Reagan created with his deficit-ballooning "trickle-down" foolishness hit. The bottom fell out of the industry I was training for, because it was based upon people having lots of disposable income to pay well for luxury items. Add to that the great slashes in financial aid that he made while I was in school, and the fact that he started to tax educational stipends as if they were incomes and not pittances that students survived on while in school, and I was left in pretty bad financial shape just as I saw my potential for earning a good living in my chosen field dry up before my eyes. What happened to the gap between rich and poor during the Reagan years? What happened to the deficit during the Reagan years?
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
i will not sit quietly nodding on the couch next to me brilliant and vocal fundy husband like so many christian wives. quote: It is just like that, apparently, for many, many women in conservative Christian marriages. The Promise Keepers and the Southern Baptists make me grind my teeth. Ah, well, that must be the reason that conservative Christians have the highest divorce rate among all religious groups in the US (Atheists and Agnostics are in the "lowest" group, BTW ).
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Sickening.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Too late.
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