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Author Topic:   Do animals have souls?
ramoss
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Message 230 of 303 (331127)
07-12-2006 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by New Cat's Eye
07-12-2006 12:13 PM


The chances are much less.. because there is this thing known as verification from other sources. There is much less chance of fooling
oneself if the evidecne can be examined and analyised by multiple people.
That is something that you can't have with 'subjective' evidence.
All you are going on is a feeling , and wishful thinking.

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Message 232 of 303 (331147)
07-12-2006 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by New Cat's Eye
07-12-2006 12:35 PM


Oh. other people have these 'feelngs' to be sure.
But, if you look at peoples reaconts to the feelings , objectively, their interpretation of these feelings are primed by their society.
You interpret these feeligns as 'jesus'. People in a hindu culture do not. People in an islamic culture interpret it as 'allah'. Examination
of the phenemonia does not show any evidence that there is a trigger to these experainces that is not outside the brain, brought on by purely physical triggers.
Since it is shown that these experiances are intepreted depending on culture, it can be shown that the experiances are molded by expectations... and therefore not evidence of what you claim it is evidence for.

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Message 235 of 303 (331407)
07-13-2006 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by New Cat's Eye
07-12-2006 2:17 PM


Well, the 'something' that can be demonstrated is the specific brain activity. There is no evidence that these 'feelings' are anything but one sectoin of the brain being active, while the other section of the brain (that deals with awareness of self) is more quiessed than usual.
This can be brought about through artificial stimulation of the brain.

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Message 247 of 303 (332873)
07-18-2006 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by 2ice_baked_taters
07-18-2006 11:10 AM


YOu seem to dismiss any evidence presented with a hand wave, without actually dealing with any of the evidence provided , except with a sarcastic remark. There are numerous publications that deal with empathy in childhood development.
Not only that, you don't show any evidence of your own. Can you provide any objective evidence for a 'soul' at all? A definition for one that can be tested? This IS the science part of the forums.
So, what definition of the soul are YOU using. What is the objective evidence of this soul at all? Can you provide something rather than hand waving dismissals and avoidance?

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Message 251 of 303 (333325)
07-19-2006 1:02 PM
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07-19-2006 12:12 PM


Well, I see you did use a mistranslation of the hebrew. it is a term meaning 'breath'.
Other than that, you just cut/paste a definition. Now that we have a definition.. see if you can find objective evidence that it exists, using that definition.

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ramoss
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Message 261 of 303 (335569)
07-26-2006 8:45 PM
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07-26-2006 7:40 PM


This is the 'science' forum. In the science forums, it is asked that evidence is provided. If this was in the 'religious' section of the board, then that requirement would not exist.
So, what is the evidence of animals having souls. For that matter, what is the evidence of people having souls?

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ramoss
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Message 271 of 303 (337162)
08-01-2006 7:45 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by New Cat's Eye
07-20-2006 4:05 PM


I think that the soul lacks properties that are able to be experimented on, scientifically. Perhaps we could have a philosophical experiment, if thats possible.
The problem with something that is unobservable, untestable, and non-detectable, it has a strong resemblance to something that is non-existent.
Edited by ramoss, : No reason given.

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Message 281 of 303 (338372)
08-07-2006 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by nator
08-07-2006 11:26 AM


quote:
A life without logic is do-able
Not really.
I am not sure you are right. There are plenty of examples right on this very forum.

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