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Topic: rapture ready
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Hyroglyphx
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Re: Misconceptions
Yeshu is not jesus it would be rendered Yeshua or joshua. Yeshua and Yeshu is no more different than Bill is to Billy. And from your source: " Many Jews and Christians have traditionally assumed that the term Yeshu in the Talmud and Tosefta refers to Jesus. Since at least the 12th century the standard Hebrew name for Jesus has been Yeshu. As well, according to articles in The Jewish Encyclopedia (1906), by professor of Hebrew literature Joseph Dan in the Encyclopedia Judaica (1972), and the Encyclopedia Hebraica (Israel) many of the stories about Yeshu in rabbinic literature are understood to be about the Christian Jesus. This is also the view of Steven Bayme, the American Jewish Committee’s director of Contemporary Jewish Life, and Dr. David Kraemer, professor of Talmud and rabbinics at the Jewish Theological Seminary and R. Travers Herford, author of Christianity in Talmud and Midrash. The argument that Yeshu is the Christian Jesus is based on the observation that the name Yeshu, is similar to Yeshua, which is often believed to be the Aramaic or Hebrew name of Jesus. Certain manuscripts of the Tosefta in fact render the name as Yeshua instead of Yeshu. Moreover it can be argued that the form Yeshu might result from the final consonant of Yeshua (the guttural ayin) becoming a silent letter.
i mean read the bloody story, he was hanged why in the gods name would you think this is about jesus? this is nothing like what happened to jesus he was never hung or stoned
jesus was cruxified, or do you even know your own religion?!? Hanging means being suspended, and the Jewish rendering of the word can mean any derivative of being suspended. " Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who hangs from a tree." -Galatians 3:13 Here's the problem, you are going to have to find another man named Yeshu who was also hanged on the eve of Passover, just like Jesus. This was recorded in the gospels, which is very symbolic, because the Passover is an atonement from the blood of an innocent on behalf of those who are not innocent.
go read what it means instead of demonizing the jews like propaganda seems to tell you This is hilarious. I wish people can come up with a solid theory on my motives. One day I'm a Zionist, the next I'm an anti-Semite who demonizes Jews. Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : No reason given.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 630 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Re: Misconceptions
Except of course, you should read what 'hanging' means as a forum of execution in the Talmud. It is not cruxificition at all. What happens is that someone is executed by strangulation, andthen the body is displayed for the rest of the day. Cruxifiction is not one of the 4 legal methods of execution in the Talmud.
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ReverendDG
Member (Idle past 4129 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: 06-06-2005
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Re: Misconceptions
Yeshua and Yeshu is no more different than Bill is to Billy. And from your source:
they are simular names but that is irrelevent to why Yeshu is not jesus, but a name given to mim - or peopel that try to lead jews from judasim from the wiki:
Critics of the identification of Yeshu with Jesus point to inconsistencies between the Talmudic references to Yeshu and ben-Stada and the stories about Jesus in the New Testament. The oppression by King Janneus mentioned in the Talmud occurred about 87 BCE, which would put the events of the story about a century before Jesus. The Yeshu who taught Jacob of Sechania would have lived a century after Jesus. The forty day waiting period before execution is absent from the Christian tradition and moreover Jesus did not have connections with the government. Jesus was crucified not stoned. Jesus was executed in Jerusalem not Lod. Jesus did not burn his food in public and moreover the Yeshu who did this corresponds to Manasseh of Judah in the Shulkhan Arukh. Jesus did not make incisions in his flesh, nor was he caught by hidden observers. In the 13th century Jehiel ben Joseph of Paris wrote that the Yeshu in rabbinic literature was a disciple of Joshua ben Perachiah, and not to be confused with Jesus the Nazarene (Vikkuah Rabbenu Yehiel mi-Paris). Nahmanides too makes this point, and Rabbis Jacob ben Meir (Rabbeinu Tam) (12th century) and Jehiel Heilprin (17th century) also belong to this school. Likewise the comments of Rabbi Jacob Emden cannot be reconciled with the collective identification. In addition, the information cited from the Munich, Florence and other manuscripts in support of the identification are late comments written centuries after the original redaction of the Talmud. Hanging means being suspended, and the Jewish rendering of the word can mean any derivative of being suspended.
he wasn't suspended he was hung, do you see suspended? when i see they word "hang" i see someone getting strangled to death as punishment for something, considering the jews are doing it they wouldn't cruxify people thats what romans do not jews!
Here's the problem, you are going to have to find another man named Yeshu who was also hanged on the eve of Passover, just like Jesus. This was recorded in the gospels, which is very symbolic, because the Passover is an atonement from the blood of an innocent on behalf of those who are not innocent.
did you even bother to read all of the wiki? the yeshu's they talk about happen years before or after jesus, so the fact that yeshu died on the eve of passover may just have happened, do you remember anywhere in the gospels where jesus waited for 40 days to be exucuted?
This is hilarious. I wish people can come up with a solid theory on my motives. One day I'm a Zionist, the next I'm an anti-Semite who demonizes Jews.
who says i'm theorizing on your motives? i'm saying this stuff is not about jesus and the people who claim it is are demonizing jews, you are just parroting it, i would say because you were told its true the fact that its wrong is also my point by the way i never said you were an anti-semite, so you can just retract that claim! Edited by ReverendDG, : No reason given. Edited by ReverendDG, : No reason given.
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Thor
Member (Idle past 5929 days) Posts: 148 From: Sydney, Australia Joined: 12-20-2004
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Message 109 of 128 (333574)
07-19-2006 11:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 104 by nator
07-19-2006 7:01 AM
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More wisdom from the Rapturian Cult
schrafinator writes: Too late. And my fear is that you are probably absolutely correct. On a slightly different aspect, I saw this little gem on the Rapture Ready homepage FAQ’s . .
Rapture nut writes:
Does God approve of cloning and genetic research? DNA is one of God's masterpieces, and the Bible repeatedly tells us that He takes great pride in His handiwork. I'm sure the Lord doesn't approve of man trying to monkey around with His creation. It is a noble cause to try to use genetic research to find cures for various illnesses that plague mankind. Unfortunately, the cause of disease can't be found by looking under a microscope. Because cancer and other forms of deformities are the results of the curse of sin, I believe that scientists are probably wasting their time in trying find cures. In the end, their efforts will either amount to nothing or they will invoke God's wrath.
What a wonderful attitude these people have. Any shred of tolerance I may have had remaining for fundamentalist viewpoints have just gone out the window. Stuff like that truly sickens me. And then this morning, I saw that dubya has gone and done this .
BBC writes:
US President George W Bush has vetoed a controversial bill which would have lifted a ban on federal funding for new embryonic stem cell research.
(sigh) Yes it would be a truly terrible thing if we actually tried to do something to find a cure for those awful diseases. After all, it's all our fault!
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Cthulhu
Member (Idle past 5870 days) Posts: 273 From: Roe Dyelin Joined: 09-09-2003
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Message 110 of 128 (333580)
07-20-2006 12:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 109 by Thor
07-19-2006 11:52 PM
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Re: More wisdom from the Rapturian Cult
Wait, so the Shrub actually vetoed something?
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 111 of 128 (333588)
07-20-2006 12:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 107 by ramoss
07-19-2006 3:08 PM
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Re: Misconceptions
Except of course, you should read what 'hanging' means as a forum of execution in the Talmud. It is not cruxificition at all. What happens is that someone is executed by strangulation, andthen the body is displayed for the rest of the day. Where in the Talmud can I find that information?
Cruxifiction is not one of the 4 legal methods of execution in the Talmud. Crucifixion was a Roman method of torture. And being that He was handed over to the Romans it makes perfect sense. Jesus wasn't killed by the Jews, He was handed over by them. Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : typo
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everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.” -1st Peter 3:15
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lfen
Member (Idle past 4696 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: 06-24-2004
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Re: Misconceptions
This is so wrong, i can't believe you bothered to post this garbage Get used to it. He not only posted it but he posted it without citation. I've no idea which translation or where the passage is found, and until that is put forward it's just another unsubstantiated claim as is typical of NJ's GIGO arguments. No foundation just claims that he won't back up. I no longer believe he will offer anything other than smoke and mirrors. I've made very simple clear requests of him for clarification but none are forthcoming. lfen
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ReverendDG
Member (Idle past 4129 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: 06-06-2005
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Re: Misconceptions
here read this site, it does a nice contrast of all the yeshu lines with proof and problems with claiming yeshu is jesus http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesusnarr.html by the way where was jesus killed? wasn't it jerusalam? in galgotha? yeshu was killed in lud on the night before passover and jesus was killed *on* passover so you are just wrong on all counts
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1362 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Re: Misconceptions
yeshu was killed ... on the night before passover and jesus was killed *on* passover or the day after. depends which gospel you like.
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ReverendDG
Member (Idle past 4129 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: 06-06-2005
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Re: Misconceptions
true, i forgot about that  on another note, if you want to read some of the odd things people say on RR FSTDT is a fun site heck one of the first posts is from RR lol they have some gay haters on there i guess
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lfen
Member (Idle past 4696 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: 06-24-2004
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Re: Misconceptions
Rev, Thanks for the link. It's clear now why NJ was unwilling to provide a reference. It certainly looks to me like he was hoping to push his bogus claim through without it being checked. lfen
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Omnivorous
Member Posts: 3983 From: Adirondackia Joined: 07-21-2005 Member Rating: 7.0
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Message 117 of 128 (333648)
07-20-2006 8:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 109 by Thor
07-19-2006 11:52 PM
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Re: More wisdom from the Rapturian Cult
Thor writes: BBC writes:
US President George W Bush has vetoed a controversial bill which would have lifted a ban on federal funding for new embryonic stem cell research.
(sigh) Yes it would be a truly terrible thing if we actually tried to do something to find a cure for those awful diseases. After all, it's all our fault! Yes, Georgie finally found a "moral boundary"--he couldn't find one between him and lying or disgracing his uniform or torture or the shredding of a magnificent Constitution, but the moral boundary between him and using a blastocyst that would otherwise be discarded to save lives and ameliorate suffering glowed in his darkness. Speaking of glowing: when he was "elected," I declared that success could be described as Georgie leaving office without launching a nuclear exchange. Six years down, just a little more than 2 years to go... As to the topic I don't think Georgie is a born again Christian and end-times believer. I think he finds all that a convenient political cover to 1) prevent 20 years of drugs, drinking, and general wastrelling from being a political liability and 2) enlist the authentic evangelicals on his behalf. Evangelicals just LOVE the prodigal son mythos. But real evangelicals do not smirk and mock death row conversions as he did in Texas as governor: they may not favor mercy, but they devote considerable effort to prison ministries and consider them as valuable as any other. In this, as in every other activity he has undertaken--soldier, corporate executive, etc.--he is a fraud.
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Hyroglyphx
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Re: Misconceptions
This is so wrong, i can't believe you bothered to post this garbage Yeshu is not jesus it would be rendered Yeshua or joshua. i mean read the bloody story, he was hanged why in the gods name would you think this is about jesus? this is nothing like what happened to jesus he was never hung or stoned jesus was cruxified, or do you even know your own religion?!? Yeshu - Wikipediago read what it means instead of demonizing the jews like propaganda seems to tell YOU This message is a reply to:
Message 86 by nemesis_juggernaut, posted 07-18-2006 05:46 PM So, you weren't calling me an anti-Semite, huh? Demonizing Jews by using propaganda IS being anti-semitic. Therefore, I won't retract my statement because its accurate. Perhaps you should retract yours. Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : Add italics
“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.” -1st Peter 3:15
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Hyroglyphx
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Re: Misconceptions
he wasn't suspended he was hung, do you see suspended? Suspension and hanging is the same thing!
when i see they word "hang" i see someone getting strangled to death as punishment for something, considering the jews are doing it they wouldn't cruxify people thats what romans do not jews! When the Gospels refer to "the Jews," they are referring to the Chief Priests, those with power in Jewish society. It isn't referring to every Jew, especially in light of Jesus and all His disciples being Jewish. At anytime now you can drop the anti-semitic allegation because its so utterly unfounded.
“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.” -1st Peter 3:15
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1362 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 120 of 128 (333810)
07-20-2006 6:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
07-18-2006 2:23 AM
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Re: Danger?
sorry, i missed this post.
Correction. I spoke unthinkingly. It doesn't call for war unless Hezbollah actually attacks or seriously threatens, as in this case they did. Otherwise their commitment to doing away with Israel simply calls for constant defensive vigilance, which is in fact generally the stance of Israel that is very reasonable, and i agree. i'm just not sure kidnapping constitutes a serious threat -- though this was not the only thing that provoked the war. hizballah has been launching rockets into various norther israeli cities. in which case, israel is probably justified in what they are doing.
What else can one do when you have committed terrorists against you? What would you suggest? well, i suggested a few very counter-intuitive and jesus-inspired courses of action in the other thread. that would probably be a more appropriate place to continue this discussion, if you'd like...
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