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Author Topic:   Where is the "leftist" media in the US?
nator
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Message 1 of 116 (332781)
07-18-2006 7:53 AM


In a recent thread, it was claimed in an aside that the US mainstream news media, including PBS, was "leftist".
There was a vain attempt made, by several posters, to point out to the claimant that the news outlets mentioned were generally centrist, not leftist, and that their own far-right position made them think that everything left of their own view was "leftist".
I myself asked the claimant the obvious question, "CBS, ABC, NBC, and PBS are all Communist news media?"
...because, to me, "leftist" means "Communist".
I am hoping that someone (hopefully the claimant) can show how the US mainstream mnews media is truly leftist and not centrist.

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nator
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Message 24 of 116 (332918)
07-18-2006 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Faith
07-18-2006 11:56 AM


Re: Goldberg's book "Bias"
quote:
"Leftist" is how we rightists identify liberals of all degrees, because we know they got their orientation from the Marxist left through the universities, which are dominated by the 60s generation.
So, does this mean that you call "leftist" any media or, say, government entity that advocates strong central governement influence on the activities of American citizens?

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nator
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Message 83 of 116 (333100)
07-18-2006 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Faith
07-18-2006 2:13 PM


Re: The problem is timidity
quote:
Oddly enough, nwr, your idea that Bush has lied is spin, leftist spin. Many of us see no lies in anything Bush has said. One would think that a lie would be an objective thing, but interestingly it isn't. I've seen all kinds of accusations of lies against posters right on this site that I know were false. So all I can say is that your leftist bias is clouding your vision on this subject.
Bush said that no American citizens were wiretapped without a warrant.
We know that to be a lie.

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nator
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Message 84 of 116 (333103)
07-18-2006 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Faith
07-18-2006 2:50 PM


Re: On Faith's allegations.
quote:
But we do all know that the leftists are forged in the leftist universities.
No, we don't know that.
When was the last time you spent any appreciable amount of time on a University, Faith?
Have you ever?
And as to your claim that the Ivy's are all Marxists...both George Bush Sr. and Dubbya are leftists, being Yale graduates.
Right?

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nator
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Message 88 of 116 (333110)
07-18-2006 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
07-18-2006 9:07 PM


Re: Bill Moyers on media bias
quote:
Oh I know very well how right wing I am. About the nauseatingest.
Too bad leftists don't know how leftist they are, have to claim they're middle of the road.
Left wing stuff annoys me no end. I just get impatient reading it. Completely untrustworthy.
Why don't you give us some examples of how the mainstream US media is extremely leftist.
Paste some quotes that show a consistent far left position. Time to ante up and lay your cards on the table. Show us what you've got.
It would be helpful if you could give a brief description of what you believe to be a centrist, as opposed to a leftist, political view.

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nator
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Message 92 of 116 (333468)
07-19-2006 5:27 PM


bump for Faith
And now comes the time for me to repeatedly, yet pointlessly, ask Faith to provide examples illustrating the truth of her claims.
It happened here, in Message #88.

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nator
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Message 98 of 116 (333500)
07-19-2006 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
07-19-2006 6:37 PM


Re: bump for Faith
quote:
I'd love to but it's a lot of work and really unnecessary.
I think it is terribly necessary for several reasons.
First, I would hate to fail to utilize the help of someone as obviously informed as you are on this subject. Perhaps your examples will help me see that I have been so terribly blind to all these years.
You seem so utterly confident in your position that I was sure that you must have in your posession many such examples of leftist media bias.
quote:
It's enough to inform you of what we righties believe is a leftie without having to justify our view of things.
Er, it is most certainly required that you provide evidence for why you hold the views that you do if you want to be taken at all seriously. If you don't, then I will be forced to believe that you cannot support your position with any evidence.
If so I will be forced to continue suspecting that you are simply a partisan zealot that is merely shooting her mouth off about something she doesn't know anything about, can't support, and believes blindly because it makes her feel righteous.
quote:
You'll just have some opinion or other about how it is or isn't leftie according to your own standards, and that won't make one iota of difference, because I know what I mean by it and will go on using it the way I do in any case.
Well, that's why I asked about how you judge if something is "left" or "right".
I asked, and you didn't answer, the following question:
So, does this mean that you call "leftist" any media or, say, government entity that advocates strong central governement influence on the activities of American citizens?
Care to now?
quote:
You can feel good about dismissing whatever I think,
I wouldn't have asked if I was simply going to dismiss it, Faith.
I don't dismiss arguments before a person even makes them.
Remember, I'm not like you.
Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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nator
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Message 100 of 116 (333507)
07-19-2006 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Faith
07-19-2006 7:10 PM


Re: bump for Faith
quote:
And I suppose you are able on demand to come up with dozens of examples to "evidence" your view of what is left, right and center?
I didn't ask for dozens, my chronically hyperbolic friend.
"Several" would be plenty.
Oh, and yes, I actually can, on demand, come up with several examples of the sort you mention. It's not difficult at all.

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nator
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Message 104 of 116 (333551)
07-19-2006 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Faith
07-19-2006 8:12 PM


Re: honesty with self
quote:
What a bunch of priggish moralistic self-righteous self-congratulatory holier-than-thou bullying.
Asking you to support your assertions with a SINGLE piece of evidence is "bullying"?
Poor, poor Faith.

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nator
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Message 107 of 116 (333819)
07-20-2006 8:17 PM


OK, here's some evidence that the media is biased to the right
This link goes to a progressive non-profit media watchdog group which compiled a study which shows that there is a bias in favor of conservative guests on the three major political discussion shows, Face the Nation, Meet the Press, and This Week.
On February 14, Media Matters for America released a comprehensive study analyzing the guest appearances on ABC's This Week, CBS' Face the Nation, and NBC's Meet the Press from 1997 through 2005. In April, Media Matters released an update to that study, analyzing the shows for the first quarter of 2006. In both reports, the results demonstrated that Republicans and conservatives dominated on all three Sunday shows. Media Matters has now completed an analysis of the second quarter of 2006, April through June, and the key conclusions reached in the first two studies remain unchanged.
Republicans and conservatives outnumber Democrats and progressives. More conservative journalists appear than progressive journalists. Panels are more likely to be imbalanced toward the right than toward the left. Republicans and conservatives are given more solo interviews. In short, the title we gave to our original study -- "If It's Sunday, It's Conservative" -- remains true.
link to article

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nator
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Message 112 of 116 (333839)
07-20-2006 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Faith
07-20-2006 8:27 PM


Re: OK, here's some evidence that the media is biased to the right
quote:
Their study may be accurate for all I know,
That's right.
Did you read the article?
Did you read how conservative journalists and Republicans are consistently more prevalent on the "leftist" media networks' their political shows? Did you read that the solo speeches on these shows were given to conservatives and Republicans much more frequently than to progressives or Democrats?
Why would "leftist" networks would do this?
quote:
but "progressive" is a synonym for "leftist." It's in fact the term the Communist Party chose to represent themselves to the American public in the early 20th Century.
So?
Doesn't the content and accuracy of the article matter to you at all?
Are you so incredibly biased against anything you don't already agree with that you refuse to even read it?
Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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nator
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Message 116 of 116 (335648)
07-27-2006 6:27 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by nator
07-20-2006 9:14 PM


bump for Faith
What, no reponse?

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