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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4131 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
This is so wrong, i can't believe you bothered to post this garbage
Yeshu is not jesus it would be rendered Yeshua or joshua. i mean read the bloody story, he was hanged why in the gods name would you think this is about jesus? this is nothing like what happened to jesus he was never hung or stonedjesus was cruxified, or do you even know your own religion?!? Yeshu - Wikipediago read what it means instead of demonizing the jews like propaganda seems to tell you
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4131 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Yeshua and Yeshu is no more different than Bill is to Billy. And from your source:
they are simular names but that is irrelevent to why Yeshu is not jesus, but a name given to mim - or peopel that try to lead jews from judasim from the wiki:
Critics of the identification of Yeshu with Jesus point to inconsistencies between the Talmudic references to Yeshu and ben-Stada and the stories about Jesus in the New Testament. The oppression by King Janneus mentioned in the Talmud occurred about 87 BCE, which would put the events of the story about a century before Jesus. The Yeshu who taught Jacob of Sechania would have lived a century after Jesus. The forty day waiting period before execution is absent from the Christian tradition and moreover Jesus did not have connections with the government. Jesus was crucified not stoned. Jesus was executed in Jerusalem not Lod. Jesus did not burn his food in public and moreover the Yeshu who did this corresponds to Manasseh of Judah in the Shulkhan Arukh. Jesus did not make incisions in his flesh, nor was he caught by hidden observers. In the 13th century Jehiel ben Joseph of Paris wrote that the Yeshu in rabbinic literature was a disciple of Joshua ben Perachiah, and not to be confused with Jesus the Nazarene (Vikkuah Rabbenu Yehiel mi-Paris). Nahmanides too makes this point, and Rabbis Jacob ben Meir (Rabbeinu Tam) (12th century) and Jehiel Heilprin (17th century) also belong to this school. Likewise the comments of Rabbi Jacob Emden cannot be reconciled with the collective identification. In addition, the information cited from the Munich, Florence and other manuscripts in support of the identification are late comments written centuries after the original redaction of the Talmud. Hanging means being suspended, and the Jewish rendering of the word can mean any derivative of being suspended.
he wasn't suspended he was hung, do you see suspended? when i see they word "hang" i see someone getting strangled to death as punishment for something, considering the jews are doing it they wouldn't cruxify people thats what romans do not jews!
Here's the problem, you are going to have to find another man named Yeshu who was also hanged on the eve of Passover, just like Jesus. This was recorded in the gospels, which is very symbolic, because the Passover is an atonement from the blood of an innocent on behalf of those who are not innocent.
did you even bother to read all of the wiki? the yeshu's they talk about happen years before or after jesus, so the fact that yeshu died on the eve of passover may just have happened, do you remember anywhere in the gospels where jesus waited for 40 days to be exucuted?
This is hilarious. I wish people can come up with a solid theory on my motives. One day I'm a Zionist, the next I'm an anti-Semite who demonizes Jews.
who says i'm theorizing on your motives? i'm saying this stuff is not about jesus and the people who claim it is are demonizing jews, you are just parroting it, i would say because you were told its truethe fact that its wrong is also my point by the way i never said you were an anti-semite, so you can just retract that claim! Edited by ReverendDG, : No reason given. Edited by ReverendDG, : No reason given.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4131 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
here read this site, it does a nice contrast of all the yeshu lines with proof and problems with claiming yeshu is jesus
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesusnarr.html by the way where was jesus killed? wasn't it jerusalam? in galgotha? yeshu was killed in lud on the night before passover and jesus was killed *on* passoverso you are just wrong on all counts
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4131 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
true, i forgot about that
on another note, if you want to read some of the odd things people say on RR FSTDT is a fun siteheck one of the first posts is from RR lol they have some gay haters on there i guess
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4131 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
so, you weren't calling me an anti-Semite, huh? Demonizing Jews by using propaganda IS being anti-semitic. Therefore, I won't retract my statement because its accurate. Perhaps you should retract yours. no you are not understanding what i said, i will refraze what i mean, you need to stop reading garbage that demonizes jews, such as people that claim that the jews killed jesus, and the talmud contains stuff about jesus. when it doesn't have anything to do with jesus i wouldn't call you an anti-semite, you are just ignorent and you accept anything people tell you if it has the stamp of christianity on it
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4131 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Suspension and hanging is the same thing!
oh yes the old, ignore what words really mean in context bit, so next time i am wall climing and i slip and the rope is supending me, i can say "oh shit i've been cruxified!" come on you are just grasping at straws, read the text don't make crap up to prop up false beliefs
When the Gospels refer to "the Jews," they are referring to the Chief Priests, those with power in Jewish society. It isn't referring to every Jew, especially in light of Jesus and all His disciples being Jewish. At anytime now you can drop the anti-semitic allegation because its so utterly unfounded. stop with the persicution complex please, what the hell does who is doing it have to do with the fact that you are making shit up? go read what the jewish people do to people who defy set laws and try to lead people away from judeaism, go read what happened to yeshu, go read when it happened,where and whywhere did yeshu die? why did he die? what did he deserve, what centuries? go read this stuff, don't just parrot crap people told you! its not jesus, not one thing matchs anything in the gospels at all as i asked you before where did jesus die? in jerusalam wasn't it?yeshu died in Lud he was stoned to death by the jews and hung from a tree, jesus was cruxified by the romans for causing unrest yeshu brought sorcury out of egypt and the other yeshu tryed to lead people from god to paganism - most jews consided christianity a jewish sect not paganism - go read this stuff please i'm done with this nonsense, you are too adament in your parroting to go read the talmud and authors who have written about it, good luck and satan curse Edited by ReverendDG, : No reason given.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4131 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
You called me an anti-semite, and I demonstrably proved that using your own words. So much for me being a martyr.
did i say "N_J you are an anti-semite"? no i did not so stop putting words in my mouth you are just ignorant, and you equate things with things that arn't really related to them i said you believe propaganda, even with just a glance would tell you its wrong to any sane person by the way are you ever going to answer my questions or are you so disinginous as to ignore them?
as i asked you before where did jesus die? in jerusalam wasn't it?
so you arn't willing to admit that yeshu is not jesus due to no relation to the gospels?yeshu died in Lud he was stoned to death by the jews and hung from a tree, jesus was cruxified by the romans for causing unrest yeshu brought sorcury out of egypt and the other yeshu tryed to lead people from god to paganism - most jews consided christianity a jewish sect not paganism - go read this stuff please i decided not to give up since you seem to be willing to make claims that i said this or that, my wording was poor but my meaning was not what you claim by the way that site just just wrong, they are going to argue from a medevil text that was written long after the talmud and contains information written to distort things? you can not use this text to attack the talmud, it comflates the stories to claim yeshu = jesus, being written in medevil times the author may have been out to attack christians with thier claims, but that doesn't mean the talmud does even the Toledot Yeshu is propaganda, to attack christianity, its not like there is only one group who does this, people claimed jews drank the blood of newborns on passover..whether you are willing to admit it nothing in the talmud is about jesus, the jewish writers wouldn't care about christianity yet it was a sect of thier religion Edited by ReverendDG, : No reason given.
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