Unethical practices in Evangelism. What is the value of the conversions?

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But they are not correct and I am (within boundaries)

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That is the kind of certainty that allows for all sorts of atrocities to be carried out in the name of religion.That is truly terrifying.

Evil si done in the belief that one is doing good, because you have absolute certainty in your absolute rightness.If you have absolute certainty in your absolute rightness, you can justify any act.That is an incredibly dangerous, completely irrational, mindset, and you have it.Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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I don't think it is manipulative to tell her about Christ and that aloneness would be the very first thing to evaporate were she to come to know him. And that the second thing would be an ever-enlarging lite appearing at the end of the tunnel.

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But you DO believe it would be manipulative and wrong for a Buddhist to approach her and teach her to live in the moment and that the source for all of her suffering is her desire for a husband, children, friends, etc., and that if she could let go of all of those desires, she would be at peace and complete with herself, needing nothing from the outside to fulfill her.Is that correct?

Well said RR.

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But if it was the lack of the gospel that got them to where they are, then I say it is not exploiting them.

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Are you seriously saying that people starve in third world countries because they aren't Christian?What about the Christians who are starving?And anyway, how can you possibly know that the people are starving because they "lack the gospel", whatever that means?People starve because they don't have enough food, often because political situations have displaced them and prevented them from being able to provide for themselves.War and repressive and unstable governments (which lead to the destruction of land, commerce, and entire economies) is what causes starvation, in Christian and non-Christian nations alike.

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But say that there was food available for them, and a way to get it, but it is the way they act, that prevents them from having it.

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Er, can you give an example of the kind of behavior that is exclusive to Christianity that would allow starving people to get food that is avilable to them that they otherwise cannot possibly get?I mean, the only scenario I can imagine is that there are some Christians who have the food and demand that the starving people convert to Christianity before they give it to them.I doubt that this is what you mean, so perhaps you can enlighten me?

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Evem right here in New orleans, ther are many down there who are turning to God, because once you lose all your material possessions, you start to realize just exactly what is important.

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Well, sure. Most people will cling to any kind of hope or comfort to get through the day if they are made desperate enough, especially if they were raised in a culture wich considers it normal and correct to do so.

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I am not up on all the specifics of it, but New Orleans was not known for it's Christianity, they were known for their voodoo.

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Sure it is, if you know anything at all about New Orleans. Voodoo is a blend of Roman Catholicism, Hatian, and African religious traditions, by the way.The major religious affiliation in New Orleans is some form of Christianity. Most are Roman Catholic, but there are quite a few Southern Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists, and Presbyterians. On the stat page I saw, they didn't even count the many, many small unaffiliated African American Christian congregations that so many people are members of down there.

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Why don't you and your husband come down with me and mine and help out?

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Er, what does that have to do with voodoo, and how much you apparently do not know about it and how incredibly Christian/Catholic New Orleans actually is?

But you apparently don't know enough about the religious demographics of New Orleans to know that it is crawling with hundreds of thousands of Christians, and that the number of people who practice voodoo is miniscule in comparison.

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In comparison, there is more voodoo in New Orleans than any other place in the US.

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Quite possibly.But that is beside the point, rat.YOU basically said that you were going to NOLA to witness to all of the non-Christian voodoo practitioners there as well as provide charity to Katrina victims.You said that they were "turning to God" because they had lost everything, yet, as I have informed you, NOLA was already a very Chruistian place. Hundreds of thousands of Christians.

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There is the filth that is mardi gras,

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Wow, aren't you judgemental?

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and 10's of thousands of people who mooch of the government and live in poverty, by choice.

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Got any stats to back up that claim?

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These statments are not judgements, they are fact. One has to examine the facts.

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I'd love to. What are the stats which back up your claim that tens of thousands of NOLA residents life off of governent assistance by choice.And you should be able to substantiate the by choice part.

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It is the fear of death that will make you think about God for sure. If you don't like that, that is your perogative.

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And your group makes sure to be there to tell them that they are correct to believe in god out of fear, when they are at their most despeate and their most vulnerable. Got it.You are vultures, all of you.

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RR, I know this is off topic... but have you ever been to mardi gras? Granted there is the party that goes on the french quarter (which was actually a lot of fun when I was younger)... but the main focus of mardi gras is not what you think it is. It's really a religious and cultural festival focused on parades.

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Of course the rat has never been to Mardi Gras, nor does he seem to have bothered to inform himself about the religious demographics of NOLA, nor does he seem to care. He seems to think that Christianity is rare there and that most people practice voodoo.All he knows is that there are people in NOLA desperate and vulnerable enough to be suceptible to his and his group's opportunistic witnessing scheme.