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Brian
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Message 1 of 12 (333753)
07-20-2006 12:55 PM


Is it me, or is anyone else getting bored to tears of Flood topics around here?
Almost every day we have a new topic about the Flood and the same crap get regurgitated every time.
We all know there was no Flood, we all know that the fundies here will perfrom any intellectual acrobatic feat they can to believe the Flood happened, so there is no point in Flood threads, the Flood has been whipped more times than Sea Biscuit, it is time to put it out of its misery.
It is obvious that atheists bring up Flood topics because the Flood is the easiest event to show that the Bible contains fairytales, no other event is so easy to falsify.
But it is becoming boring, how cares how hard it rained it makes no difference whatsoever.
So, here's a plea, no more Flood topics for at least a year. If there are any more Flood topics I know where the next 50 000 feet of water will come from, my tear ducts!!!!!!!!!!!
Brian.

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CK
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Message 2 of 12 (333755)
07-20-2006 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
07-20-2006 12:55 PM


quote:
It is obvious that atheists bring up Flood topics because the Flood is the easiest event to show that the Bible contains fairytales, no other event is so easy to falsify.
Heh - since I think I sorta started the most recent deluge I should chip in here. The answer to your question is "yes" - I find it very funny.

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Jazzns
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Message 3 of 12 (333757)
07-20-2006 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
07-20-2006 12:55 PM


I have hinted similarly in the past. There are more ways to fry the earth in any ad-hoc flood model then there were animals on the ark. My favorite just so happens to be simple's suggestion that the fountains of the deep were actually liquid hydrogen that turned into water when it reacted with the super oxygenated pre-flood atmosphere.
This also applies to other topics though when dealing with heavily entrenched creationists. When you have a worldview based on assumptions that are by their nature undefinable and a preconcieved conclusion that is set in stone then there really is no "winning" in these arguments in the sense that the other side gives up. The only real hope is that in the argument you can show how absolutly rediculous their position is to others reading this forum searching for answers. That is how I became motivated to check deeper into the EvC debate with an objective mind.
Being able to see the metal contortions and sometimes outright lies among other tactics of creationists repelled me from that position. Creationists often do more to hurt their position just by opening their mouth then anything any of their opponents could ever say. A veteran of the debate on the "evo" side can destroy a creationists argument much easier by simply guiding them into more and more ad-hoc reasoning. Jar does this beautifully all the time. He barely has to say a word to coax a creationist to respond with something that is absoutly insane or totally out of character for a Christian attitude. The basic premise here is that you can only defend insanity by more of the same or greater amounts of insanity.
The topics that I think are fruitless are the ones where it is just "evos" rehashing why a flood model is broken/ non-bibilical / impossible / etc. Often this is because there is a tendency to wildly speculate or give the benefit of the doubt to certain situation in order to further the argument. We don't need one more reason why the flood could not have happened. So what if the volume of rain needed in the 40 days is inconcievable? This doesn't matter to a creationists. They already ignore the facts. The flood did not happen for a number of more fundamental and tangable reasons for which there is a basis in actual facts rather than X,Y,Z conditions fabricated for the purposes of discussion.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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AnswersInGenitals
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Message 4 of 12 (333763)
07-20-2006 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
07-20-2006 12:55 PM


I'm surprised Brian. It seems that you have joined the ranks of the anti-pornography activists who would censure pornography in every form because they just can't accept the "if you don't like it, don't look". I like the flood threads for all the reasons you dislike it. What thread in this forum is not repetitive, redundant, redolent, redactive, and ridiculous, if not initially, at least by the 30th post? The only refreshing, new, and exciting posts I've read lately (aside from my own, of course) is when Randman accuses Jar of purposely misrepresenting his position. At least the flood threads make no pretense to be anything other than a way to pass the time before we die.
Actually, there are new things to be discovered about the flood. I have recently been able to resolve the mystery of what Gopherwood is. (Remember from Genesis that god ordered Noah to make the entire ark out of Gopherwood, and there has been a great deal of controversy about what that is.) When Noah told his sons to gather up 20,000 tons of Gopherwood, his youngest son Ham asked him "Hey Pops." (Or it might have been Pips or Pups or Poops - the written Hebrew of that time left off the vowels.) "What the heck is Gopherwood?" Noah told him: "That's wood you gopher for when I tell you to!" Now, aren't you glad you read this response?
And no, I have no idea what redactive means either.
Edited by AnswersInGenitals, : Edited by author to insert missing word.

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MangyTiger
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Message 5 of 12 (333866)
07-20-2006 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
07-20-2006 12:55 PM


As others have said, the thing with Flood topics is they are funny - if for no other reason than the mental gymnastics the literalists end up performing.
The other thing is the Flood is an area where those of us who don't know much about the Bible or ancient history can chip in - it's much harder in (say) Exodus threads.
Personally I've been hoping Ray would open up a Showcase thread on his Great Pyramid claims (height matches circumference of Earth, sits on longest meridian, centre of the world's land masses etc. etc.), but sadly no sign of anything like that yet.

Oops! Wrong Planet

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Nighttrain
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Message 6 of 12 (334229)
07-22-2006 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by MangyTiger
07-20-2006 11:01 PM


Herep`s Horrors
Personally I've been hoping Ray would open up a Showcase thread on his Great Pyramid claims (height matches circumference of Earth, sits on longest meridian, centre of the world's land masses etc. etc.), but sadly no sign of anything like that yet.
Mangy, you are a glutton for punishment.

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Brian
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Message 7 of 12 (334240)
07-22-2006 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by MangyTiger
07-20-2006 11:01 PM


Ray's reluctance
Personally I've been hoping Ray would open up a Showcase thread on his Great Pyramid claims (height matches circumference of Earth, sits on longest meridian, centre of the world's land masses etc. etc.), but sadly no sign of anything like that yet.
Ray's been busy writing up a devastating essay that will blow Darwinism of the face of the Earth.
It was supposed to be posted on a major procreationist website but I take it he hasn't finished it yet. AFAIK, he is essentially using Gene Scott's work to blow Darwinism apart, maybe Ray cannot get an appointment with John Edwards to ask Scott how he should begin the essay.
Brian.
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CK
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Message 8 of 12 (334242)
07-22-2006 9:41 AM
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07-22-2006 9:35 AM


Re: Ray's reluctance
Yes I've seen it mentioned on the talk origins site - is it called
"atheist bias = Evolution refuted"?
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Brian
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Message 9 of 12 (334247)
07-22-2006 10:02 AM
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07-22-2006 9:41 AM


Re: Ray's reluctance
God knows what it is called.
One thing is sure though, it will blow Darwinism apart!
Brian.
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Message 10 of 12 (334280)
07-22-2006 12:29 PM


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    Nighttrain
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    Message 11 of 12 (334381)
    07-22-2006 7:31 PM


    Holding the fort
    Think of Flood rebuttals as a service to mankind. As each new crop of creos loads up on steroids from AIG,etc., they come a-looking for bear.Where better to beard the lion in its den than EVC?

      
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    Message 12 of 12 (334391)
    07-22-2006 8:11 PM
    Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
    07-20-2006 12:55 PM


    Is it me, or is anyone else getting bored to tears of Flood topics around here?
    It's been a tad overdone recently. But it isn't causing any problems.
    we all know that the fundies here will perfrom any intellectual acrobatic feat they can to believe the Flood happened, ...
    But those acrobatics are fun to watch.

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