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nator
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Message 91 of 105 (331249)
07-12-2006 6:16 PM
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07-09-2006 10:18 AM


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I am not up on all the specifics of it, but New Orleans was not known for it's Christianity, they were known for their voodoo.

Sure it is, if you know anything at all about New Orleans. Voodoo is a blend of Roman Catholicism, Hatian, and African religious traditions, by the way.

The major religious affiliation in New Orleans is some form of Christianity. Most are Roman Catholic, but there are quite a few Southern Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists, and Presbyterians. On the stat page I saw, they didn't even count the many, many small unaffiliated African American Christian congregations that so many people are members of down there.


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Message 92 of 105 (331257)
07-12-2006 6:32 PM
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07-09-2006 10:18 AM


New Orleans not know for its Christiainty???????
Well that's just it. I am not up on all the specifics of it, but New Orleans was not known for it's Christianity, they were known for their voodoo.

Say what riVeRraT? You are familar with a parade they hold each year down there aren't you? You do know what it's all about, don't you?

You do know why it is held at a certain time of year, don't you?

You do know that Louisiana doesn't have counties but rather Parishes, don't you?


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riVeRraT
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Message 93 of 105 (331351)
07-12-2006 10:32 PM
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07-12-2006 6:16 PM


Why don't you and your husband come down with me and mine and help out?
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riVeRraT
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Message 94 of 105 (331352)
07-12-2006 10:33 PM
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07-12-2006 6:32 PM


Re: New Orleans not know for its Christiainty???????
Is that the same Holy ground where people lift their shirts up for beads?
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jar
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Message 95 of 105 (331353)
07-12-2006 10:36 PM
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07-12-2006 10:33 PM


Re: New Orleans not know for its Christiainty???????
That's just the fundies and evangelicals. They think that what happens in New Orleans Stays in New Orleans. As with everything else...

They're wrong!


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nator
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Message 96 of 105 (331570)
07-13-2006 4:27 PM
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07-12-2006 10:32 PM


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Why don't you and your husband come down with me and mine and help out?

Er, what does that have to do with voodoo, and how much you apparently do not know about it and how incredibly Christian/Catholic New Orleans actually is?


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riVeRraT
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Message 97 of 105 (331879)
07-14-2006 10:55 PM
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07-13-2006 4:27 PM


Nothing, and I know enough about voodoo, to know that it is not the way.
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nator
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Message 98 of 105 (333816)
07-20-2006 8:00 PM
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07-14-2006 10:55 PM


But you apparently don't know enough about the religious demographics of New Orleans to know that it is crawling with hundreds of thousands of Christians, and that the number of people who practice voodoo is miniscule in comparison.


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Message 99 of 105 (333817)
07-20-2006 8:08 PM
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07-09-2006 10:18 AM


New Orleans was not known for it's Christianity, they were known for their voodoo.

yeah, like two hundred years ago. i assure you. voodoo services are more rare in new orleans than santaria is in south florida.


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riVeRraT
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Message 100 of 105 (333936)
07-21-2006 9:54 AM
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07-20-2006 8:00 PM


In comparison, there is more voodoo in New Orleans than any other place in the US.

There is the filth that is mardi gras, and 10's of thousands of people who mooch of the government and live in poverty, by choice.

These statments are not judgements, they are fact. One has to examine the facts.

But this conversation is pointles, because I consider it irrelevent to what happened to them, that would be judging them. There are many fine people in New Orleans, I have relatives there, and online gaming friends, that I spend many nights on comms with.

I am speaking from the point that our missions group went there, and got to pray for people who didnb't believe, that after the fact consider it, because maybe, just maybe God spoke to them in their hearts about what happened to them. It is the fear of death that will make you think about God for sure. If you don't like that, that is your perogative.

I invited you to come with us, so that maybe we could look at it first hand together, help some people in need, and show the rest of the community that we are capable of getting along regardless of belief's.

It is a moral of mine, to lay down issues, and get along with people no matter the circumstance. Is it for you? I only want to go help people, and bring as many as I can with me.


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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 101 of 105 (333938)
07-21-2006 10:05 AM
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07-21-2006 9:54 AM


mardi gras
There is the filth that is mardi gras, and 10's of thousands of people who mooch of the government and live in poverty, by choice.

RR, I know this is off topic... but have you ever been to mardi gras? Granted there is the party that goes on the french quarter (which was actually a lot of fun when I was younger)... but the main focus of mardi gras is not what you think it is. It's really a religious and cultural festival focused on parades.

I've spent quite a bit of time in New Orleans for various work functions (they used to have a lot of convetions down there). It really is a very christian area.

I'm pretty sure there aren't 10s of thousands of people who live in poverty by choice... but that's another discussion.

There is no denying that NO is an area with a lot of poverty.

Seriously..... you would probably enjoy mardi gras (not the french quarter part, which really isn't mardi gras... that's for partiers like me!)...


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nator
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Message 102 of 105 (334056)
07-21-2006 3:36 PM
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07-21-2006 9:54 AM


quote:
In comparison, there is more voodoo in New Orleans than any other place in the US.

Quite possibly.

But that is beside the point, rat.

YOU basically said that you were going to NOLA to witness to all of the non-Christian voodoo practitioners there as well as provide charity to Katrina victims.

You said that they were "turning to God" because they had lost everything, yet, as I have informed you, NOLA was already a very Chruistian place. Hundreds of thousands of Christians.

quote:
There is the filth that is mardi gras,

Wow, aren't you judgemental?

quote:
and 10's of thousands of people who mooch of the government and live in poverty, by choice.

Got any stats to back up that claim?

quote:
These statments are not judgements, they are fact. One has to examine the facts.

I'd love to. What are the stats which back up your claim that tens of thousands of NOLA residents life off of governent assistance by choice.

And you should be able to substantiate the by choice part.

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It is the fear of death that will make you think about God for sure. If you don't like that, that is your perogative.

And your group makes sure to be there to tell them that they are correct to believe in god out of fear, when they are at their most despeate and their most vulnerable. Got it.

You are vultures, all of you.


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nator
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Message 103 of 105 (334058)
07-21-2006 3:41 PM
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07-21-2006 10:05 AM


Re: mardi gras
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RR, I know this is off topic... but have you ever been to mardi gras? Granted there is the party that goes on the french quarter (which was actually a lot of fun when I was younger)... but the main focus of mardi gras is not what you think it is. It's really a religious and cultural festival focused on parades.

Of course the rat has never been to Mardi Gras, nor does he seem to have bothered to inform himself about the religious demographics of NOLA, nor does he seem to care. He seems to think that Christianity is rare there and that most people practice voodoo.

All he knows is that there are people in NOLA desperate and vulnerable enough to be suceptible to his and his group's opportunistic witnessing scheme.


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riVeRraT
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Message 104 of 105 (334473)
07-23-2006 8:59 AM
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07-21-2006 3:36 PM


YOU basically said that you were going to NOLA to witness to all of the non-Christian voodoo practitioners there

No, I didn't say that, that is what you concluded.

I am going to to first, help, and pray for people who want prayer.

While I am there, I will learn about what is left of the area. Anything I learn will be most likely irrelevent to how things where before Katrina.

You said that they were "turning to God" because they had lost everything,

People are turning to God, whether they are Christian or not. Everyone can always press into God more, including myself.

Wow, aren't you judgemental?

Super Nitendo is right, I have never been there. I can only go by what I see on TV, and what my father told me about the place. BTW, my dad isn't into God as much as I am, but he was disgusted by what he saw.

It is what it is, and that is just a fact, not a judgment call.
If I said they were going to hell, then I would be judging them.

Got any stats to back up that claim?

quote:
New Orleans has one of the highest poverty rates of any of America's big cities. According to a report by Total Community Action, a New Orleans public advocacy group, nearly one out of three New Orleans residents live below the poverty level, the majority of who are black.

http://www.blacknews.com/pr/looting101.html

quote:
In Louisiana, the poverty level is 19.6 percent for the state's 4.3 million residents. In New Orleans, the poverty rate is an astounding 27.9 percent for the city's 468,453 residents.

http://clarionherald.org/20040114/art004.htm

27.9% of 468,453 is 130698 people.

And you should be able to substantiate the by choice part.

Are you denying that opportunity exists in America, and that if you want to, you do not have to live in poverty?

Look I grew up in NYC, and I have seen first hand how "people in poverty" live, and how they mooch off the government, and take from our taxes. A person living on welfare can recieve up to $60,000 in benifits once you add it all up. Why wouldn't they want to live "in poverty"?

I won't even debate this with you further. If you don't believe me, or think that the majority of these people live in poverty by choice, then you need to take some reality lessons, and go find out or yourself.

And your group makes sure to be there to tell them that they are correct to believe in god out of fear, when they are at their most despeate and their most vulnerable. Got it.

If thats the way it was, then thats what we would say. No one can deny their creator in times of need. It is what is in them, it comes from your own heart. There is no exploiting going on, as we have nothing to gain from them knowing God.

You are vultures, all of you.

And your living in denial, thanks for another attack on the person, not the subject, and stooping to calling us names. Were is the dam admin?


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riVeRraT
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Message 105 of 105 (334475)
07-23-2006 9:12 AM
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07-21-2006 3:41 PM


Re: mardi gras
nor does he seem to have bothered to inform himself about the religious demographics of NOLA, nor does he seem to care. He seems to think that Christianity is rare there and that most people practice voodoo.

I never said Christianity was rare in New Orleans. I do not know the level of Christianity in New Orleans. I am going to stay in a Christian church, so obviously there is some Christianity there.

What I calimed was that New Orleans is the voodoo capitol of the US, which you seem to be ignoring, and turning around my statements to make me a ppear false.

Are you denying that New Orleans is the voodoo capitol of the US?

http://www.voodooshop.com/
http://www.voodoomusicfest.com/2006/home.php

They even have their own football team, lol
http://www.govoodoo.com/

Not only that, but again schraf you attack the person not the subject, this time in third person. If you can't even follow some simple forum rules, then why should we believe anything you have to say?

All he knows is that there are people in NOLA desperate and vulnerable enough to be suceptible to his and his group's opportunistic witnessing scheme.

Do demons drive out demons?

I am tired of this claim of exploitation from you, it is total BS.

To me it is you making exuses.


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