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Topic: The Barbarity of Christianity (as compared to Islam)
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randman 
Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: 05-26-2005
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Message 106 of 299 (334874)
07-24-2006 1:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 104 by CK
07-24-2006 1:43 PM
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you can't or won't read the thread?
We don't have much information about the first few centuries of Christianity, so there is little we can say with authority about that period. In addition, until it was adopted as the official religion of the State by Constantine, it was but another of the minor religious sects out there and so pretty much incapable of oppressing anyone. As to the second part of your statemnt, whether it exists today, I also demonstrated that the practices of intolerance continue today. The late troubles in Ireland, Faith's very own words and examples like the attempts to oppress segments of the American population that continue today support my contention. The rest of your post relating to Islamic practices are pointless and off topic anyway. This thread is not about whether or not some other religion sucks, it's about Christianity, and historically, Christianity has been about the most violent, intolerant force on earth. How much clearer do you need this to be? Jar's "contention" is that Christianity is evil, both in the past and today. Now, he may now be backtracking....who knows, but this WAS his argument. Edited by randman, : No reason given.
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 107 of 299 (334876)
07-24-2006 1:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 103 by randman
07-24-2006 1:42 PM
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Re: A demand that randman provide quotes where I said Christianity is evil.
I provided a lengthy qu0tation of our exchange where you did indeed say that Christianity is evil, both in the past and present. Again, you misrepresent what I said. Please point out EVEN in the parts you quotemined (and failed to give links to the messages) where I said "that Christianity is evil, both in the past and present."
Now, as far as board moderators, I personally think your behaviour here warrants a suspension for suggesting dishonesty and lying on my part when it is clear that you did, in fact, say Christianity is a force for evil but insinuate you did not and that I was lying. Folk are fully capable of reading what you post, and then how you distort what is said. They can decide who is lying.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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randman
Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: 05-26-2005
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Message 108 of 299 (334877)
07-24-2006 1:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 102 by jar
07-24-2006 1:41 PM
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what the heck?
I suppose you can get away with suggesting others are lying. I am not surprised, but to answer you jar. You said:
Christianity has been about the most violent, intolerant force on earth. You make it plain that Christianity, in your opinion, is still oppresive today, right? You have said this on other threads, right? You claimed Christianity cannot be split up into subgroups, right? What's your beef? It IS YOUR CLAIM that Christianity is evil, not mine. There is no misrepresentation of you here.
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 109 of 299 (334880)
07-24-2006 1:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 108 by randman
07-24-2006 1:51 PM
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Re: what the heck?
Please show where I have said "that Christianity is evil" or retract your assertion.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano
Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 110 of 299 (334881)
07-24-2006 1:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 108 by randman
07-24-2006 1:51 PM
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Re: what the heck?
Hey Randman. Ever tried nailing jello to a wall?
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randman
Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: 05-26-2005
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Message 111 of 299 (334883)
07-24-2006 1:58 PM
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this is the post jar now questions
No, but my point jar is you say you are a Christian but then claim Christianity is a force for evil. Are you then a force for evil? How do you know your ideas of Christ-likeness are correct? And if you are asserting that Christ's real teachings are not a force for evil in the world, then shouldn't you qualify your claims that Christianity is the greatest force of evil in the world, and say that false Christianity is? The way you put it, being a Christian means that you are part of a great, evil force, and Jesus is not part of Christianity because Christianity is evil and unChristlike, right? Jar responded with:
Not at all. Of course, he was not a Christian, but rather a nice Jewish boy. The Map is not the Territory randman. The question is whether or not Christianity as it has been practiced down through the ages is at all Christ-like. And sadly, history and compemporary life, say that the answer is a resounding "No!" There is no sense that he is saying, no randman, you misunderstand my point...I am not saying Christianity is evil. In fact, he reiterates the opposite, and now has the gall to say I am misrepresenting him. To all that question my comments here, just what should a reasonable person think jar's argument is? I think it's clear his argument is that Christianity is evil or as he suggests the greatest force of violence and oppression in human history. I am simply asking questions to challenge him on how he knows what true Christianity or Christ-likeness is, if Christianity is so evil, and we cannot trust the gospels, etc, etc,....
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randman
Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: 05-26-2005
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Message 112 of 299 (334884)
07-24-2006 1:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 110 by iano
07-24-2006 1:57 PM
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Re: what the heck?
Iano, that's about it, isn't it? We'll see if fairness rules here and jar is suspended or not.
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 113 of 299 (334885)
07-24-2006 2:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 111 by randman
07-24-2006 1:58 PM
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Gish Gallop
randman, support the assertion that you made in Message 93 or retract it. To help you remember, you said "Jar is saying that the belief system and religion called Christianity is evil, but then says he is a Christian." It really is as simple as that.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano
Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 114 of 299 (334888)
07-24-2006 2:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 112 by randman
07-24-2006 1:59 PM
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Re: what the heck?
I wouldn't call for suspensions either way. If you find a person to be wilfully evasive then there seems to be little reason to engage them. Its not compulsory that you do. As Jar so often says, the reader can decide for themselves. "Folk aren't THAT blind" is my own motto when I see the jello slide, yet again, down the wall.. It really is as simple as that
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randman
Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: 05-26-2005
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Message 115 of 299 (334891)
07-24-2006 2:14 PM
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jar is clear here on another thread
Thank GOD Jesus was not a Christian.
message 5 http:// EvC Forum: Open Question For Jerry Falwell (and those who agree with him) --> EvC Forum: Open Question For Jerry Falwell (and those who agree with him) I really don't have time to delve into all of jar's past comments, which are clear regardless, in that he thinks Christianity is a great or at times even the greatest force of oppression on earth. My point in this quote though is just to point out that jar does indeed think of Jesus as not Christian, and that Christianity needs to be more Christ-like. I agree that Christianity should Christ-like except the difference is I have a reason besides my own subjective experience for arguing what is Christ-like and that reason is that I believe the gospels are valid, and moreover, point out that where reading the gospels is prevalent, we see Christians be more Christ-like in exchewing persecutions. Edited by randman, : No reason given.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 116 of 299 (334902)
07-24-2006 2:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 115 by randman
07-24-2006 2:14 PM
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Re: jar is clear here on another thread
randman writes: jar does indeed think of Jesus as not Christian Well, of course Jesus was not a Christian. How could He be? If He followed Himself, He'd be chasing His tail. This thread is (supposed to be) about the "barbarity" of Christianity. The OP (which in my opinion is extremely thin) says:
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Jar wants an opportunity to prove that Christians are just as barbarous as Muslims.
The assumption is that Islam is barbarous and the question is, "Does Christianity rise as high on the barbarity scale as Islam?" If anybody has a right to be offended, it is the Muslims.
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randman
Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: 05-26-2005
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Message 117 of 299 (334914)
07-24-2006 3:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 116 by ringo
07-24-2006 2:38 PM
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Re: jar is clear here on another thread
I will be happy to compare the barbarity of Christianity and Islam at any time. But there has never been a more intolerant, barbaric movement on earth than Christianity. Really?
The rest of your post relating to Islamic practices are pointless and off topic anyway. This thread is not about whether or not some other religion sucks, it's about Christianity, and historically, Christianity has been about the most violent, intolerant force on earth. I guess that means he is happy if Islam is off-topic, and it's all about "the most violent, intolerant force on earth", but that doesn't mean jar has ever called Christianity evil...  Edit to add this gem from jar in admin mode:
This is not a topic about Islam, but rather about the barbarity of Christianity.
Try to stay on topic. Ringo, you are correct though that the OP includes Islam, and so the thread really should be about comparing Islam and Christianity, but jar and adminjar decided to see if differently.....btw, must be empowering to decide the rules in your favor as you participate in debate and forget the OP! Edited by randman, : No reason given. Edited by randman, : No reason given.
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randman
Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: 05-26-2005
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Message 118 of 299 (334917)
07-24-2006 3:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by jar
02-10-2006 1:42 PM
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Re: setting the record straight
Btw, the troubles in Ireland are not primarily religiously motivated. For the Orangemen, religion has been a motivation going back a long ways, but it began as largely political. For the IRA, religion has nothing to do with it at all, for the most part.
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 119 of 299 (334922)
07-24-2006 3:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 118 by randman
07-24-2006 3:32 PM
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Stop trying to change the topic
Let's not change the subject randman! Either support the assertion you made in Message 93 that I have said "Christianity is evil" or retract it.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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randman
Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: 05-26-2005
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Message 120 of 299 (334923)
07-24-2006 3:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 119 by jar
07-24-2006 3:47 PM
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already did...here it is again
I suppose you can get away with suggesting others are lying. I am not surprised, but to answer you jar. You said:
Christianity has been about the most violent, intolerant force on earth. You make it plain that Christianity, in your opinion, is still oppresive today, right? You have said this on other threads, right? You claimed Christianity cannot be split up into subgroups, right? What's your beef? It IS YOUR CLAIM that Christianity is evil, not mine. There is no misrepresentation of you here.
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