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RAZD
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Message 91 of 108 (335302)
07-25-2006 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Faith
07-25-2006 7:34 PM


Re: not religious?
But Christians have battled the pluralistic interpretation of the first amendment all along and continue to battle against it.
In other words you place being american second to being christian
Hard to do that. We like this nation and we hate to see it trashed.
Especially when it is YOU doing the trashing, (gotta change that constitution to make this a christian theocracy ...)
... this isn't a theocracy ...
Riiiight, just that religious law is given higher status than any old civil one, like freedom of (and from other's) religion ...
... the church always prospers under persecution.
juz lovs ta play tha martyr massa, juz lovs it ta deat ...
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Alasdair
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Message 92 of 108 (335333)
07-25-2006 11:41 PM


To tell the truth, I think that the topic "Is Hindu marriage moral" is getting at the wrong thing.
Faith doesn't thinks gay marriage is immoral because she thinks homosexuality is immoral. This is because the Bible declares homosexuality to be immoral.
Hindus having sex isn't called immoral in the Bible, and it isn't immoral in Faith's book. Being Hindu (Well, being of a false religion) is immoral in Faith's book though ( I think) .
So the issue isn't "If homosexual marriage is immoral because of the Bible, so is Hindu marriage". I think it's more correct to say "If homosexual marriage is immoral because of the Bible, so is Hinduism".
Of course, this still gives problems to Faith - why does she want homosexual marriage outlawed because it's against her religion, but not Hinduism outlawed because it's against her religion?
Hope that made sense!

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Alasdair
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Message 93 of 108 (335335)
07-25-2006 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Faith
07-25-2006 3:27 PM


Re: Added note.
Cool. Would something such as say, divorce rate be a good indicator of the decay of the social fabric?
Wouldn't homosexual marriage help improve the "social fabric" by helping those homosexuals make healthy family units? I mean denying them the right to marry kind of makes such a family unit unneccessarily difficult. Isn't commitment as shown in marriage a family value?
I'm rambling.

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happy_atheist
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Message 94 of 108 (335351)
07-26-2006 2:23 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Alasdair
07-25-2006 11:41 PM


Alasdair writes:
So the issue isn't "If homosexual marriage is immoral because of the Bible, so is Hindu marriage". I think it's more correct to say "If homosexual marriage is immoral because of the Bible, so is Hinduism"
Well yes Hinduism is certainly going to be immoral according to the bible, as is homosexuality. But from what I've gathered, homosexual marriage is fought against because it is a legal acknowledgement, acceptance, and promotion of something that is seen as being wrong. In the same sense, Hindu marriage is a legal acknowledgement, acceptance and promotion of something that is seen as immoral by the same standard.
It would be very hard to make homosexuality or hinduism illegal because then you'd have to mind read. They are things that people are. But it's easy to deny legal recognition of these things, with marriage being one of those.

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Alasdair
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Message 95 of 108 (335357)
07-26-2006 2:54 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by happy_atheist
07-26-2006 2:23 AM


quote:
Well yes Hinduism is certainly going to be immoral according to the bible, as is homosexuality. But from what I've gathered, homosexual marriage is fought against because it is a legal acknowledgement, acceptance, and promotion of something that is seen as being wrong. In the same sense, Hindu marriage is a legal acknowledgement, acceptance and promotion of something that is seen as immoral by the same standard.
I think what you mean that in the same sense, allowing people to be Hindu is a legal acknowledge, acceptance, blah blah blah of something immoral.
Hindus marrying doesn't go against Biblical morality. Homosexual marriage does. Hinduism does. Not people marrying who happen to be Hindus.

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Message 96 of 108 (335359)
07-26-2006 3:09 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Alasdair
07-25-2006 11:41 PM


Gay marriage requires a changing of our laws to change the whole meaning of marriage. Your comparisons with other religions are bogus.

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RickJB
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Message 97 of 108 (335362)
07-26-2006 3:38 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Faith
07-26-2006 3:09 AM


"Marriage" is just a word. Meanings change all the time.
Word > Original Meaning
awful > deserving of awe
brave > cowardice (as in bravado)
counterfeit > legitimate copy
girl > young person of either sex
guess > take aim
knight > boy
luxury > sinful self indulgence
neck > parcel of land (as in neck of the woods)
notorious > famous
nuisance > injury, harm
quick > alive (as in quicksilver)
sophisticated > corrupted
tell > to count (as in bank teller)
truant > beggar

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Faith 
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Message 98 of 108 (335368)
07-26-2006 4:33 AM
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07-26-2006 3:38 AM


Do you really think I could have meant just some vacant equation of words when I said marriage will lose its meaning?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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LinearAq
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Message 99 of 108 (335378)
07-26-2006 6:18 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by RAZD
07-25-2006 7:47 PM


Re: not religious?
RAZD writes:
In other words you place being american second to being christian
As she well should because God is higher than any man-made political entity. The real problem here for "true" Christians is the statements by Paul and Peter that governments are placed here by God and should be obeyed. At some point where the government requires disobedience of God's laws, Christians must choose to disobey. Luckily, the US has not enacted any such laws so far.

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LinearAq
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Message 100 of 108 (335380)
07-26-2006 6:28 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Faith
07-25-2006 7:34 PM


Re: not religious?
Faith writes:
But Christians have battled the pluralistic interpretation of the first amendment all along and continue to battle against it.
By this statement, I assume you are saying that you believe the framers of the Constitution intended religious freedom to apply to various forms of Christianity only. Could you provide some evidence from that time to support your contention? Personal correspondence or transcripts from meetings or speaches perhaps?
Can you point to ANY movement within Congress at ANY time in our history that would support this idea?
Which Christian groups in our history have actually tried to influence the government to change the Constitution to allow only Christianity?
Do you personally believe that the First Ammendment should apply to Christianity only?

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LinearAq
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Message 101 of 108 (335382)
07-26-2006 6:35 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by happy_atheist
07-26-2006 2:23 AM


Mind reading not necessary
happy-athiest writes:
It would be very hard to make homosexuality or hinduism illegal because then you'd have to mind read.
No one cares what they think as long as they are not allowed to express it publicly. We could remove all the temples, mosques, and gay bars. We could make illegal any expression favorable to those anti-God ideas.
Perhaps we could even recruit ordinary citizens to help police this problem by teaching in our public schools techniques for recogizing the tell-tale signs of secret offenders.

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RAZD
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Message 102 of 108 (335384)
07-26-2006 7:00 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Alasdair
07-25-2006 11:41 PM


Hindus having sex isn't called immoral in the Bible,
It isn't about Hindus having sex but about their worshiping other gods, multiple gods.

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RickJB
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Message 103 of 108 (335387)
07-26-2006 7:09 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by Faith
07-26-2006 4:33 AM


faith writes:
Do you really think I could have meant just some vacant equation of words when I said marriage will lose its meaning?
Marriage means a legal union between two persons. Most dictionaries now include gay marriage in this definition.
As we can see, meanings change.
As do traditions.
Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

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RAZD
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Message 104 of 108 (335388)
07-26-2006 7:17 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by LinearAq
07-26-2006 6:18 AM


Re: not religious?
RAZD writes:
In other words you place being american second to being christian
As she well should because God is higher than any man-made political entity. The real problem here for "true" Christians is the statements by Paul and Peter that governments are placed here by God and should be obeyed.
That's easily done by first subverting all governments into christian theocracies ... for their own good.

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RAZD
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Message 105 of 108 (335389)
07-26-2006 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by LinearAq
07-26-2006 6:35 AM


Re: Mind reading not necessary
No one cares what they think as long as they are not allowed to express it publicly. We could remove all the temples, mosques, and gay bars. We could make illegal any expression favorable to those anti-God ideas.
Perhaps we could even recruit ordinary citizens to help police this problem by teaching in our public schools techniques for recogizing the tell-tale signs of secret offenders.
What a fascinating concept for the communal good.

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