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RAZD Member (Idle past 1430 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
But Christians have battled the pluralistic interpretation of the first amendment all along and continue to battle against it. In other words you place being american second to being christian
Hard to do that. We like this nation and we hate to see it trashed. Especially when it is YOU doing the trashing, (gotta change that constitution to make this a christian theocracy ...)
... this isn't a theocracy ... Riiiight, just that religious law is given higher status than any old civil one, like freedom of (and from other's) religion ...
... the church always prospers under persecution. juz lovs ta play tha martyr massa, juz lovs it ta deat ... Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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Alasdair Member (Idle past 5775 days) Posts: 143 Joined: |
To tell the truth, I think that the topic "Is Hindu marriage moral" is getting at the wrong thing.
Faith doesn't thinks gay marriage is immoral because she thinks homosexuality is immoral. This is because the Bible declares homosexuality to be immoral. Hindus having sex isn't called immoral in the Bible, and it isn't immoral in Faith's book. Being Hindu (Well, being of a false religion) is immoral in Faith's book though ( I think) . So the issue isn't "If homosexual marriage is immoral because of the Bible, so is Hindu marriage". I think it's more correct to say "If homosexual marriage is immoral because of the Bible, so is Hinduism". Of course, this still gives problems to Faith - why does she want homosexual marriage outlawed because it's against her religion, but not Hinduism outlawed because it's against her religion? Hope that made sense!
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Alasdair Member (Idle past 5775 days) Posts: 143 Joined: |
Cool. Would something such as say, divorce rate be a good indicator of the decay of the social fabric?
Wouldn't homosexual marriage help improve the "social fabric" by helping those homosexuals make healthy family units? I mean denying them the right to marry kind of makes such a family unit unneccessarily difficult. Isn't commitment as shown in marriage a family value? I'm rambling.
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happy_atheist Member (Idle past 4939 days) Posts: 326 Joined: |
Alasdair writes: So the issue isn't "If homosexual marriage is immoral because of the Bible, so is Hindu marriage". I think it's more correct to say "If homosexual marriage is immoral because of the Bible, so is Hinduism" Well yes Hinduism is certainly going to be immoral according to the bible, as is homosexuality. But from what I've gathered, homosexual marriage is fought against because it is a legal acknowledgement, acceptance, and promotion of something that is seen as being wrong. In the same sense, Hindu marriage is a legal acknowledgement, acceptance and promotion of something that is seen as immoral by the same standard. It would be very hard to make homosexuality or hinduism illegal because then you'd have to mind read. They are things that people are. But it's easy to deny legal recognition of these things, with marriage being one of those.
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Alasdair Member (Idle past 5775 days) Posts: 143 Joined: |
quote: I think what you mean that in the same sense, allowing people to be Hindu is a legal acknowledge, acceptance, blah blah blah of something immoral. Hindus marrying doesn't go against Biblical morality. Homosexual marriage does. Hinduism does. Not people marrying who happen to be Hindus.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Gay marriage requires a changing of our laws to change the whole meaning of marriage. Your comparisons with other religions are bogus.
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5016 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
"Marriage" is just a word. Meanings change all the time.
Word > Original Meaning awful > deserving of awebrave > cowardice (as in bravado) counterfeit > legitimate copy girl > young person of either sex guess > take aim knight > boy luxury > sinful self indulgence neck > parcel of land (as in neck of the woods) notorious > famous nuisance > injury, harm quick > alive (as in quicksilver) sophisticated > corrupted tell > to count (as in bank teller) truant > beggar
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Do you really think I could have meant just some vacant equation of words when I said marriage will lose its meaning?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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LinearAq Member (Idle past 4701 days) Posts: 598 From: Pocomoke City, MD Joined: |
RAZD writes:
As she well should because God is higher than any man-made political entity. The real problem here for "true" Christians is the statements by Paul and Peter that governments are placed here by God and should be obeyed. At some point where the government requires disobedience of God's laws, Christians must choose to disobey. Luckily, the US has not enacted any such laws so far.
In other words you place being american second to being christian
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LinearAq Member (Idle past 4701 days) Posts: 598 From: Pocomoke City, MD Joined: |
Faith writes:
By this statement, I assume you are saying that you believe the framers of the Constitution intended religious freedom to apply to various forms of Christianity only. Could you provide some evidence from that time to support your contention? Personal correspondence or transcripts from meetings or speaches perhaps? But Christians have battled the pluralistic interpretation of the first amendment all along and continue to battle against it. Can you point to ANY movement within Congress at ANY time in our history that would support this idea? Which Christian groups in our history have actually tried to influence the government to change the Constitution to allow only Christianity? Do you personally believe that the First Ammendment should apply to Christianity only?
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LinearAq Member (Idle past 4701 days) Posts: 598 From: Pocomoke City, MD Joined: |
happy-athiest writes:
No one cares what they think as long as they are not allowed to express it publicly. We could remove all the temples, mosques, and gay bars. We could make illegal any expression favorable to those anti-God ideas. It would be very hard to make homosexuality or hinduism illegal because then you'd have to mind read.Perhaps we could even recruit ordinary citizens to help police this problem by teaching in our public schools techniques for recogizing the tell-tale signs of secret offenders.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1430 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hindus having sex isn't called immoral in the Bible, It isn't about Hindus having sex but about their worshiping other gods, multiple gods. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5016 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
faith writes: Do you really think I could have meant just some vacant equation of words when I said marriage will lose its meaning? Marriage means a legal union between two persons. Most dictionaries now include gay marriage in this definition. As we can see, meanings change. As do traditions. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1430 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
RAZD writes:
As she well should because God is higher than any man-made political entity. The real problem here for "true" Christians is the statements by Paul and Peter that governments are placed here by God and should be obeyed. In other words you place being american second to being christian That's easily done by first subverting all governments into christian theocracies ... for their own good. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1430 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
No one cares what they think as long as they are not allowed to express it publicly. We could remove all the temples, mosques, and gay bars. We could make illegal any expression favorable to those anti-God ideas. Perhaps we could even recruit ordinary citizens to help police this problem by teaching in our public schools techniques for recogizing the tell-tale signs of secret offenders. What a fascinating concept for the communal good. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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