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RickJB
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Message 31 of 47 (336831)
07-31-2006 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by crashfrog
07-26-2006 10:05 AM


I despise Bush's brand of politics, but like all Republicans he relies on the support of the hard religious right. In private I'll bet he doesn't much care about sexuality as an issue.
Bush is one thing, but what I REALLY don't understand is the mind-set of homosexuals (many closeted, I'm sure) working in the Republican party who provide tacit support to anti-gay ammendments. I guess, like all politicians, they are doing what they have to to get along. Strikes me as hypocritcal, but the currency of most politicians is power, not virture or principle....
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riVeRraT
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Message 32 of 47 (336856)
07-31-2006 8:43 AM
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07-26-2006 10:52 AM


Re: I believe it
He's a petty, petty little man who bears no resemblance to a real leader.
Just how many politicians are real leaders these days?
{ABE}
I thought that was Merriam-Webster's job.
Since when is it a law that Merriam Webster define words for the English language? Obviously not everyone would agree with it.
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riVeRraT
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Message 33 of 47 (336861)
07-31-2006 8:56 AM
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07-30-2006 4:55 PM


Re: Bush is paying the price in brain damage
Good link Schraf.
Have you ever spoke in front of large crowds? To the entire nation? There is a difference.
Every word that comes out of Bush's mouth now gets analyzed to death, and that could possibly make a person nervous to speak.
I speak in front of congregations, and sometimes I am nervous, and sometimes I am not. The nervousness blocks the thoughts from getting to my mouth sometimes.
I think also it has to do with how confident you are on the subject you are speaking. Maybe some of his speeches that are scripted by others won't come out as clear, as something that he firmly believes in, and is well educated in.

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nator
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Message 34 of 47 (336862)
07-31-2006 8:57 AM
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07-31-2006 8:43 AM


Re: I believe it
quote:
Just how many politicians are real leaders these days?
I don't have an exact count but I would say that, of all the offices in the land, the president, at least, should be a great leader. Or at least give the impression or illusion of being a great leader.
Clinton, for example, appeared to be a very good leader even if he wasn't the best president.
Reagan, too.
Howard Dean is a very good leader, and Kerry is also despite his lack of charisma. Arlen Specter comes to mind, as does Nancy Pelosi and Christine Todd Whitman.
Going outside our own country, Hugo Chavez seems to be an amazing leader, as does Vladamir Putin.

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nator
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Message 35 of 47 (336866)
07-31-2006 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by riVeRraT
07-31-2006 8:56 AM


Re: Bush is paying the price in brain damage
quote:
Good link Schraf.
Have you ever spoke in front of large crowds?
Pretty large, yes.
quote:
To the entire nation? There is a difference.
Yes. And a presidential candidate that cannot speak coherently, stumbles miserably over every other word, cannot construct a complex sentence nor even a simple one without a struggle, and flounders when asked to speak carefully is a very pathetic presidential candidate.
quote:
Every word that comes out of Bush's mouth now gets analyzed to death, and that could possibly make a person nervous to speak.
Sure, especially when you can't speak coherently.
quote:
I speak in front of congregations, and sometimes I am nervous, and sometimes I am not. The nervousness blocks the thoughts from getting to my mouth sometimes.
Forgive me, but this is the president. Don't you think that one of the skills required for the job should be the ability to speak in public?
quote:
I think also it has to do with how confident you are on the subject you are speaking. Maybe some of his speeches that are scripted by others won't come out as clear, as something that he firmly believes in, and is well educated in.
He's the president.
He should be well-versed in every single thing he is speaking about.
Otherwise, how on earth is he supposed to make decisions?

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Message 36 of 47 (336869)
07-31-2006 9:27 AM
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07-31-2006 9:07 AM


Re: Bush is paying the price in brain damage
schrafinator writes:
a presidential candidate that cannot speak coherently, stumbles miserably over every other word, cannot construct a complex sentence nor even a simple one without a struggle, and flounders when asked to speak carefully is a very pathetic presidential candidate
Then there must be something else that makes him a good candidate, because he was in fact elected.
Don't you think that one of the skills required for the job should be the ability to speak in public?
Apparently a majority of the electorate doesn't.
It could of course be that, since there are only two candidates to choose from, who each stand for two rather opposite ideologies, that, even though Republican voters think Bush is an awful orator, they have no choice but to elect him, because they think that Democrat ideology must not be allowed to rule.

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nator
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Message 37 of 47 (336879)
07-31-2006 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Parasomnium
07-31-2006 9:27 AM


Re: Bush is paying the price in brain damage
quote:
Then there must be something else that makes him a good candidate, because he was in fact elected.
He was only elected once.
But anyway, he wasn't really elected because of himself.
He was voted for in large part because his party whipped up the Republican base's fear and hatred of fags.

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bob_gray
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Message 38 of 47 (336880)
07-31-2006 10:04 AM
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07-31-2006 9:27 AM


Re: Bush is paying the price in brain damage
Parasomnium writes:
It could of course be that, since there are only two candidates to choose from, who each stand for two rather opposite ideologies, that, even though Republican voters think Bush is an awful orator, they have no choice but to elect him, because they think that Democrat ideology must not be allowed to rule.
That is certainly part of it. I know many Republicans who would vote for a monkey if it were running on the Republican ticket. I hate to admit it but members of my family are included in this group. It is almost as if being a member of a political party (I'm including all political parties here) is a faith and not a position arrived at rationally.

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Message 39 of 47 (336882)
07-31-2006 10:09 AM
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07-31-2006 10:04 AM


Re: Bush is paying the price in brain damage
It is almost as if being a member of a political party (I'm including all political parties here) is a faith and not a position arrived at rationally.
I am challenging your use of the word "almost"

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Modulous
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Message 40 of 47 (336888)
07-31-2006 10:37 AM
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07-31-2006 10:01 AM


Bush was elected twice
In 2004 he was elected with a 286-251 lead and in 2000 he received 271 votes to 266. The question is: Did some of the electors actually get 'elected'?
evc pedantry at its finest - ignore me.

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crashfrog
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Message 41 of 47 (336928)
07-31-2006 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by nator
07-31-2006 10:01 AM


Re: Bush is paying the price in brain damage
He was only elected once.
Well, it's beyond question that he did not actually win the 2000 election. Gore was the winner of Florida, not Bush, and the Supreme Court acted beyond its constitutional authority when it appointed Bush to the presidency.
And I think the case is pretty solid that Kerry was the winner of the 2004 election, as well. The statistical anomalies that overwhelmingly favored Bush nationally, and particularly in the contested states, simply can't be dismissed. All attempts so far to rebut those anomalies have compared them to the 2000 election - an obviously invalid rebuttal since the 2000 election was stolen!
So I don't think it's accurate to say that Bush has ever been elected President of the United States.

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riVeRraT
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Message 42 of 47 (336983)
07-31-2006 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by nator
07-31-2006 9:07 AM


Re: Bush is paying the price in brain damage
Yes. And a presidential candidate that cannot speak coherently, stumbles miserably over every other word, cannot construct a complex sentence nor even a simple one without a struggle, and flounders when asked to speak carefully is a very pathetic presidential candidate.
I agree, and it is what I dislike most about Bush.
Forgive me, but this is the president. Don't you think that one of the skills required for the job should be the ability to speak in public?
If it was, then he wouldn't have got elected. So I don't think your beef is with him personally, as it is with his voters.
He should be well-versed in every single thing he is speaking about.
Otherwise, how on earth is he supposed to make decisions?
That's what his advisors are for, it just sucks that he can't represent what they tell him in a coherent manor.

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crashfrog
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Message 43 of 47 (338088)
08-05-2006 11:24 AM
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07-31-2006 5:01 PM


Re: Bush is paying the price in brain damage
If it was, then he wouldn't have got elected.
He didn't. By any statistical analysis, he never has.
That's what his advisors are for
Then why don't we elect them?

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nator
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Message 44 of 47 (338285)
08-06-2006 5:05 PM
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08-05-2006 11:24 AM


Re: Bush is paying the price in brain damage
Crash, have you read Farnken's latest, The Truth (With Jokes)?
He says that Bush and the Republicans won the last election with a three-pronged strategery:
"Fears, smears, and queers".
It's both awful and funny at the same time, isn't it?

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Message 45 of 47 (338752)
08-09-2006 5:20 PM
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07-30-2006 4:55 PM


Re: Bush is paying the price in brain damage
Schrafinator writes:
He is not only coherent 10 years ago but is downright articulate. He is able to string long sentences together into entire paragraphs that convey fairly complex ideas. He is energetic and confident and dynamic. He also clearly has memorized a great deal of information and he never refers to notes. IOW, he appears to have his shit together
It's really quite strikingly different to how utterly awful a public speaker he is, and has been for his entire presidential career.
I think he is a fall guy. I think that the neocon agenda purposefully manipulates public opinion by having Dubya appear to be so dumb that all blame and attention and outrage is focused on him as an inept buffoon when the real damage is occurring behind the scenes.
Bush is like the little man behind the curtain...a figurehead whom serves as a distraction.

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