Israel/Lebanon/Gaza conflict (continuation thread)

WHY AREN'T YOU ASKING WHY THE TERRORISTS LOCATE THEMSELVES AMONG INNOCENT PEOPLE AND YELLING AT THEM INSTEAD OF AT ISRAEL??

You are just playing with words. The question really IS why aren't they being treated as criminals? The entire world should be treating them as criminals.

You guys don't live in the real world. Parasomnium, Nighttrain, Ringo, Jaderis. I give up.Here's a real solution. Cadres and legions of Christians from all over the world, but especially America, should be going into both Lebanon and Israel and all over the Middle East. By the thousands. Under heavy prayer cover. To help anyone who needs it, Christian or Muslim or Jew, and to preach the gospel of salvation in Christ alone. They will probably die like flies, butchered by the terrorists, possibly killed by friendly fire as well. But that's what it's going to take to change the situation. I will now stop arguing and start praying.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm sorry, what is demonstrably false? I stop reading after a while and probably missed it.

So the truth is that I disagreed with you about the supposed "demonstrated proof."Sure, literally sometimes he puts the words together that seem to say he condemns anti-Israel terrorism, as so many do, but it's just lip service. All the media do the same, dutifully mouthing the words from time to time, same as everybody here does too. But in practical reality, terrorism is put on an equal footing with Israel's defensive position, treated as a legitimate cause. Sympathy is in their direction, not Israel's, and it is Israel that is far and away the one preponderantly rebuked by the UN for its defensive actions.What condemning anti-Israel terrorism would REALLY look like would be proclaiming it in believable tones, calling on the world to condemn it, and backing it up with threats that are followed up with action. If they did that honestly, the list of UN rebukes of the terrorists would at least equal the list for Israel, because for every rebuke of Israel there is a terrorist action -- or a dozen of them -- that provoked the rebuked action by Israel but went unrebuked itself.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The insincerity is obvious in the actions. You interpret them differently because of YOUR bias. What you are calling a "material fact" is nothing but empty words. But again that's my bias. And again, the only right thing to do is STOP THE TERRORISM, and that is not happening. All that is happening is that the only nations TRYING to stop the terrorism are being condemned for it.

Another piece of pure bias that I believe to be the truth. FrontPageMagazine.com | August 1, 2006By Alan M. Dershowitz
Sunday was a day of great triumph for Hezbollah

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Sunday was a day of great triumph for Hezbollah. Its tactics had worked. By launching rockets at Israeli civilians within yards of a building filled with refugees, Hezbollah had induced Israel to make a terrible mistake. Its defensive rocket had missed the Hezbollah launchers and hit the civilian building. That was Hezbollah’s plan all along. As Israelis wept in grief over the deaths of the Lebanese children, Hezbollah leaders celebrated its propaganda victory.

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Yes, Hezbollah was happy that an Israeli rocket had killed Lebanese children. The children were now in paradise, martyrs to Hezbollah’s cause. Israel was being condemned throughout the world for “killing” children”“massacre” was the most common word used in the Arab media. The Israelis apologized, but that was not enough to put out the flames of anger or to quiet the shrill calls for revenge.

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Israel produced evidence proving that it was largely Hezbollah’s fault. Hezbollah was using Lebanese children as involuntary human shields”surely a war crime. Hezbollah was preventing civilians”who had been repeatedly warned by Israel to leave the battle zone”from moving out of harm’s way. Hezbollah sympathizers were shown on TV defiantly tearing up the Israeli leaflets, as if to say “we’re staying” Hezbollah had refused to build bomb shelters for ordinary civilians”only for their own leaders. Hezbollah knew (and Israel didn’t) that children were in the so-called safe house. That is why it deliberately used the safe house as a shield behind which to five rockets at Israel. Hezbollah used its rocket launchers as “bait” to induce Israel to fire at them in order to increase the chances that Israel’s rocket would misfire and hit the “safe house”. It was a perfect plan. Leaders of Hezbollah knew it could count on the international community to finish its dirty work by condemning Israel, rather than Hezbollah for the deaths caused deliberately by Hezbollah. Israel has, of course, rightly apologized for the deaths caused by its rocket. Hezbollah never apologizes for deliberately causing civilian deaths, except when the deaths are of Arab children, as was the case in Nazareth.

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Another totally biased piece, by a Christian Lebanese woman Lebanese Diversity on the LineBy Brigitte Gabriel
FrontPageMagazine.com | August 1, 2006

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While the world's attention is focused on westerners fleeing to Cyprus and the many Hezbollah civilians fleeing to Syria, another group of Lebanese people worldwide are counting the days until they will be going back to their homes in Lebanon and reunite with their families. These are the thousands of Lebanese Christian refugees who fled Lebanon before, during and after the civil war.

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The most recent wave of refugees fearing slaughter by Hezbollah came in 2000 with the Israeli withdrawal from south Lebanon. With Israel's help, many moved on throughout the world while over one thousand remained in Israel. Most are ready to go back to their homes, which many left with only the shirts on their backs.

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These Lebanese originally came under attack from radical Islamic and PLO elements in Lebanon in 1975 and asked Israel for help. Living in what became "the Israeli security zone" in 1978, they and Israel held off the Palestinians, radical Islamists, and later Hezbollah for 18 years from attacking Christians and shelling northern Israel.

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In June 2000, under daily causalities and mounting popular pressure, the IDF set a withdrawal date. As the date drew near, the security of IDF forces began to be compromised as the loyalty of allied Lebanese began to waver as they wondered about their fate after the Israelis left. The IDF departed suddenly with its closest Christian allies right behind them.

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For the Christians in Israel who tell me of their hearts' desire, I can only use fictitious names for fear of their relatives living in Lebanon being killed by Hezbollah. Everyone knows everyone in South Lebanon. George, a Christian Lebanese refugee in Haifa, says, "I can't wait for Israel to go in. I want to go back to my home."

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Message 278

So you're Israel, and you refuse to retaliate against Hezbollah, or against Hamas or any of them. You throw down your arms. What is going to happen in your very very wise and indeed prescient opinion?Actually, as soon as I said it I have to admit there was something daringly exciting about it. I only wish I didn't know what would happen.Now if they threw down their weapons and put their trust in the God of Israel, THEN something wonderful would happen. Unfortunately Israel, for all its supposed Zionist inspiration, is a secular atheist state.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Talk is useless because one side of the table never tells the truth unless it temporarily furthers their ultimate purpose of getting rid of Israel for good. Deliver us please from any more "peace" agreements.And the side that never tells the truth isn't going to stop its terrorism either. During the talks they will be regrouping their forces, and emboldened by Israel's being in a strait jacket again, repairing their Hezbollah positions and increasing their arsenals in Palestine as well, right up against Israel. The longer the useless talking goes on, the more time they have for this purpose.The problem is that your proposal puts Israel at a disadvantage. The terrorists don't care what the world thinks of them except as a strategic maneuver, for which purpose they are willing to create all kinds of illusions and deceptions. If they have time enough to build up strength, they can ignore everybody else. And we'll end up in WWIII that way just as surely as any other way.

"the context of his right wing politics" sure sounds to me like you are calling him a conservative. He says he's not. That's all I know.

I don't believe in the rapture unless it's the Second Coming when it's all over for everybody anyway, and don't address me as if I do.Do I think that Hezbollah thought that Israel would just talk when who attacked? Who went ahead anyway doing what? I really don't know what you are trying to say here. What is happening is what who wants to happen?Yes I expect eventually an American city may very well be nuked.

Point taken. Thanks for the correction.

How often do they do it as an entrapment in order to kill people?Don't bother answering. This game is endless.