Lebanon In End Time Bible Prophecy

Care to back this claim up with figures buz?According to Bank Of Israel figures Israel has been running an average monthly trade deficit since at least 2002 (over $601 million a month in 2006 up to the middle of July - and I doubt the situation in Lebanon has helped).The CIA Factbook shows revenue of $43.82 billion and expenditure of $58.04 billion (estimated 2005).Looks to me like a trade deficit of $7+ billion and a budget deficit of $14+ billion - how do you see it? I'm going to call BS on this as well unless you can produce figures to the contrary. The EU is one of Israel's main export markets, especially for produce, but I'm not at all convinced that Israel is one of the largest providers to the EU.A quick Google search threw up this paper which says in 1997 Israel provided 4.5% of the fruit, 4.1% of the vegetables and 2.9% of the processed fruit and veg - giving a total of 3.9% of the total fruit and veg imported into the EU.

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I was referring to what they grow, saying in that statement that the wasteland would blossom. I believe I am correct in stating they export more produce than they consume.I stand corrected on being a major European exporter, but I'd say they do quite well with such a tiny nation which was a wasteland not long ago providing over a fifth as much produce as both the US and Canada combined.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

The fat lady hasn't sang yet on the returnees and identification of them. Judah is largly back and that's the important thing since they are the millenial kingdom tribe. 1. I did not contradict myself. I said they will remember their god, Jehovah. Many of them (the orthodox) do now and when the messiah returns all the remnant that survives the tribulation will remember him.2. Jehovah is the nearest modern English equivalent of YHWH as recognized by nearly all the linguist translators of the Hebrew to English in most of the versions of the Bible. If I were to move to Israel, I'd likely use the Hebrew word, but I'm not.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

But Judah being back isn't enough to fulfil the prophecy. And there is no evidence that the Lost Tribes will really be restored. Sp we can't say that the prophecy has been or even will be fulfilled.

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1. I did not contradict myself. I said they will remember their god, Jehovah. Many of them (the orthodox) do now and when the messiah returns all the remnant that survives the tribulation will remember him.

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But you did. Your statement can also be read as indicating that they will not forget, which is rather a mistake when you are trying to deny that reading. But Zechariah 10:9 goes further: It starts with the scattering - there is no suggestion that they shall forget and suddenly remember. Rather it suggests that they will continue to follow the Hebrew religion from the time that they are scattered until the time of return. Naturally you need to rejec that reading becuae it cannot happen, but that does not change the text. The Bible says what it says - no matter how much you might wish otherwise.And it is talking about the Lost Tribes, not the Orthodox Jews (Zechariah 10:7). Try reading the verse in context before making assumptions about what it says.

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2. Jehovah is the nearest modern English equivalent of YHWH as recognized by nearly all the linguist translators of the Hebrew to English in most of the versions of the Bible. If I were to move to Israel, I'd likely use the Hebrew word, but I'm not.

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No it isn't. Yahweh is the best guess (and we have to guess because nobody knows what the vowels were). Jehovah isn't even an attempt at an English transliteration - it's an early attempt at a German transliteration. That is the reason it starts with "J" instead of "Y"."Jehovah" is a mistake that found its way into common use.t

Fair enough - I wasn't taking you quite so literally.

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Judah being back is fulfilling the prophecies, many of them. How many times do I need to remind you that the prophecies are being fulfilled and not all completed yet. Again, that this remarkable thing has happened, lends credibility to the yet unfulfilled prophecies.Question: How likely do you think it would be for a certain tribe of Native Americans to be scattered worldwide nearly two thousand years ago and still be identifiable as that certain tribe to return to their specific location from which they were scattered after nearly two milleniums? That's how remarkable this phenomenon is.Then there's all the other corroborating prophecies either already fulfilled or being fulfilled on track. Imo, unbelievers have no excuse for being unbelievers. They are as bulligerant as the Jewish Pharasees and Saducees who saw the miracles of Jesus and yet sought to kill him and his apostles. That is not to say you people want to kill anyone. I'm simply using that as an analogy of how they choose to disregard the evidence made available to them.

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Judah being back is fulfilling the prophecies, many of them. How many times do I need to remind you that the prophecies are being fulfilled

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The wise thing would be to say nothing at all until you can come up with something worthwhile. The truth is not a matter of how often you say something.

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Then there's all the other corroborating prophecies either already fulfilled or being fulfilled on track. Imo, unbelievers have no excuse for being unbelievers.

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Then there's the failures and your misrepresentations. For instance there's your misrepresentation of Ezekiel 17 at the start of this thread. Believers might refuse to admit the failues of prophecy, but they have ample reason to reject your distortions. You are the one who needs an excuse. Even your own beliefs - or those you claim to follow - don't condone misrepresenting the Bible as you have done.y

I don't see how you can consider partially-fulfilled prophecies to be fulfilled prophecies.It's kind of like seeing a sign that says "New York" and assuming that you're near New York. But you might be in Missouri and the sign might just indicate the exit to New York.A "sign" of fulfilled prophecy doesn't necessarily indicate that the prophecy is near fulfillment.

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It's the old tactic of declaring a bridge that gets halfway across the river a partial success.

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I personally don't see what is so special about people actively trying to 'fullfill' a prophecy (their interpretation of it at least).They are just taking their goals out of their interpretation of a book.

Ringo, my statement was not pertaining to one particular prophecy. It pertained to many prophecies, some of which have been completely fulfilled and some of which are partially fulfilled in such a manner that you can see the light at the end of the tunnel so to speak.For example, Israel has become a nation after nearly 2 milleniums of dispersion. One could say that is a fulfilled prophecy. Zechariah 14:2 says Jehovah will draw all nations against Jerusalem to battle in the latter days. That has not been fulfilled but is being fulfilled in that the nations, for the most part are against Jerusalem/Judah and multilateral forces of the nations are being assembled and moving into the Mideast region. Jerusalem is becoming the focus of the news very often these days whereas 200 years ago nobody would have taken these prophecies literally since it would seem to them as pretty much of an impossibility.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Nor was mine. Note the plural "prophecies".My point was that the very idea of "partially-fulfilled prophecy" is inherently nonsensical. Note the analogy. A "sign", even if interpreted correctly, is just a sign - it's not the destination. No, one could not - until all of the details of the prophecy are fulfilled. What if Israel collapses again and is dispersed for another two millenia? That would render the current "partial fulfillment" irrelevant. You almost have it. That prophecy has not been fulfilled. You are assuming incorrectly that it "is being fulfilled". What if "all nations" decide to side with Israel? That would render the current "partial fulfilment" irrelevant. Jerusalem has been the focus of the news "very often" for as long as I can remember. After half a century, the sense of impending doom is losing it's edge.I asked you once before about Hal Lindsey's The Late Great Planet Earth and I don't think you ever answered. Lindsey had it all mapped out with Russia invading Israel, blah, blah, blah, exactly like the Bible foretold... except that his ideas seem rather out of date now.How often do you guys have to get it wrong before you begin to question your interpretation? Well, no. Two hundred years ago, Napoleon was the "prophesied" AntiChrist. Remember his campaign in Egypt?There is nothing new under the sun, especially the idea that prophecy is going to be fulfilled "in our time". At least wait for complete fulfilment. Don't grasp at every straw.Edited by Ringo, : Capitalized myself.

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If you want to reject the fact that certain aspects of some prophecies have been fulfilled, that's your perrogative. I'm not going to waste my time arguing semantics with you on this. For us who've done our homework on this the end time prophecies are rapidly emerging into focus loud and clear. If, if, if. You can "if" yourself into hyperskepticism if you microskepticize (buzwords) every jot and tittle. I go with what we've got and change my mind when the events warrant change. With all the corroborating stuff going on simultaneously, you are hard pressed to refute the evidence. All nations side with Israel? You gotta be kidding. Israel is usually hard pressed in the UN for support from more than one or two. LOL! Half century? As long as you can remember? How old are you? Israel has been in the hands of Gentiles for about 19 centuries, seldom ever having any significance in world events. There's a lot of Hal Lindsey that I'm not in agreement on, but he's right about Russia. Russia has consistently sided with the enemies of Israel just as they did lately concerning Lebanon's Hezbollah and imo will in the end be with the Armageddon invaders for the demise of Israel and particularly Jerusalem. When Russia changes their tune on this, I'll change mine, but don't hold your breath, mefriend. He couldn't have been scripturally. Israel wasn't even in their nation and gentiles occupied Jerusalem. That's what I mean that all the corroborating stuff must be moving into focus as it is today. It wasn't so back then and those deluded few who were claiming otherwise simply hadn't done their homework on the prophesies.
Escatology is a science. You need to do the homework with lots of study, work and serious prayerful thought to harmonize them all. I'm not grasping at straws. You're stumbling over the beams, all the while denying they're there.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Well if you consider that since Israel was established it has been an ally or client state of the US (or vice versa some might say) and the USSR and the US were engaged in the Cold War this isn't in the least surprising. The enemies of Israel at the time (Egypt, Syria, Lybia et al) were clients of the USSR. It was just a function of the superpower politics of the post-WW II era. Gotta ask you to back this up buz - I think it's nonsense. Please provide some specific instance of Russia siding with or supporting Hezbollah. Ok so how is the Red Army going to get to Israel buz? A quick glance at a map suggests they will have to go through Turkey and/or Iraq. Turkey is a member of NATO - after 9/11 the members of NATO affirmed that an attack on one of them would be considered an attack on all. So before they get anywhere near Israel they are in a shooting war with the US and the rest of the NATO countries. If they manage to avoid that that do you really think the US is going to let them roll through Iraq after all the pain you've gone through to get your military established there?Of course Russia could just nuke the place off the face of the planet (it is one of only about three countries with a bigger nuclear arsenal than Israel and - maybe - the means to deliver them after all) - but does anybody see that as a realistic possibility?Russia has moved on. It's interests now are in joining the WTO and building itself back into a global power ecomically using the huge natural resources (especially gas) it has. Maybe once they've done this and/or Putin dies or is replaced things will change - but I see no reason to think getting involved in an invasion of Israel would be in their plans.Actually I've just thought about this. In the modern world why would anybody except the surrounding Arab states have the slightest interest in invading Isreal? There's no sensible reason at all for any non-Middle East State to do it, quite apart from the logistical difficulties in getting there.

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As I have said, "certain aspects" are irrelevant.
They are like Lindbergh making it partway across the Atlantic Ocean - dead in the water. Nice buzwords. Of course, asking the questions is the only way to understanding.
All you're doing is jumping to confusions. What I'm saying is that the state of prophecy "fulfillment" hasn't changed in my lifetime - it's stalled at "partway". That ought to be an indication to you that the "end time" might still be a long way off. I recognized his nonsense as nonsense right from the start. Did you?I bet you were playing tuba on his bandwagon thirty-five years ago. When has Russia ever had a "tune" about invading Israel? Yes, the study of fiction can be a science.

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