truth preserving logic?(value of human life)

And missle bombing are messy. If you are going to succeed I believe you will have to pursue a police type action instead of military. It will be difficult because to be successful it cannot be visible, which simply increases the political pressure to do something.

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I dont think thats true, bus stops take time to build and israeli construction workers are lazy. Which is what? not doing anything? we do enough of that in gaza.
And what about the kids that were kiddnaped (this is a main issue I need an answer to)? I didnt see the movie, maybe you can describe it? (I'll make popcorn)

I think I misunderstood what you meant by "a police type action". (trying out smilies){edited to repair spelling mistake}Edited by kalimero, : No reason given.

tell me about it. what, honestly, would get them back? it was about the covert response to israeli hostages that were taken and killed at the olympic games in munich in 1972 by the palestinian balck september. the response involved recruiting mossad agents to secretly assassinate the people responsible for planning the terrorist action.apparently, it's also a true story (according to spielberg at least). there is some controversy, which you can read about in the wikipedia article. i wouldn't recommend it as a good movie (it could have used a better editor), but it was certainly an interesting movie.anyways, i'm just bringing it up to ask, is this an appropriate response? track down and kill the people responsible, and just the people responsible?

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I'm no expert, but tracking down Hezbolla key players inside Lebanon sounds like suiside. Then again if it is do-able then I agree it should be done.

But the very words you associate with Jesus are contained in the Bible, the very book you say cannot be trusted. You do see the weakness of your stance I hope? Yes, and it is a great demonstration of the weakness of faith that all fundies have. You are slowly degenerating into a mini brain dead follower of Christ, if you are not careful you will end up like a robot. Yet, Christ's words are contained in a document you say cannot be trusted. You are saying that we have to pick and choose which parts of the Bible are true and which parts aren't.One of you criteria (possibly the only one) is that we should reject any scripture that contradicts what YOU think Jesus' opinion was. It is obvious that you have this preconceived idea of what you want Jesus to be, and you will even reject God's Word to maintain your fantasy. Well, this is a discussion board where people are going to pick holes in your arguments, mostly these are attempts at trying to understand the other person's faith, and at other times there are attemots at trying to point out how erroneous someone's stance is. I think your stance is unbiblical, even to the point of ignorance. My posts were on topic since you base your stance on human life being valuable because sweet little fluffy Jesus says it is (which is your opinion). Yet, when pointed out (from the Bible) that your premise is demonstrably incorrect, you kick and scream and claim that sweet fluffy Jesus is not the God of the Old Testament, the very foundation of messianic christianity is just ignored to keep your fantasy alive.I think it is time for you to grow up a bit and move into the adult world of thinking, you aren't a child any more, and it is about time you started constructing more reasonable arguments.Brian.

I feel that you have misrepresented me, not that it matters now.Ironically you also are a "mini brain dead follower" of scripture. In your predicament I don't think you would realize it though.I wasn't going to tell of the revelation that I came to yesterday evening (again) for I felt it is worth too much to be put here.I say none of you would understand it.
None of you will understand it.I don't feel bad about it though because as been said not all can be "saved". Please think of the mindset of Siddhartha Gottama and of Jesus Christ.You may be able to see but it's not likely as I repeated.Now don't take sentences as simply filler. Really think about what is being said when I begin to say it. Do not dismiss it quickly.All pursuits are trivial but one.Our purpose is to transcend.One must come to the realization to provide this statements. As one looks out they see the people whizzing about in cars.It may be unfair but I assume that they are following trivial pursuits.I can no further describe this revelation why? Only the individual can transcend, our tragically limited state. Cognitive ability but still only animal.The individual must "cross the river"For most men create an identity. It is for you to have this realization. If you are truly a reasoning creature you will transcend.1. Realization then Death.I have realized that eternal bliss may not be a ridiculous concept of heaven. For through experience we have caught a glimpse of it but only a glimpse.I have reached this realization at 17 yrs of age. Age obviously is irrelevant. Any age can give to this, hopefullyWhy did the Little Prince take his life at the end of the story?I pray you make it, I posted for you, for all.A'dieu(official last post)

that might be a good point. i said before that in this case, i thought that war might be inevitable, since hizballah is indeed an official faction of the government, and a majority in southern lebanon. technically, it's a government action, isn't it?

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Israel seems to have been able to do so at least on the West Bank. How many Hamas officials is Israel currently holding? storyAccording to the news story Israel has detained at least 30 MPs as well as one third of the Palestinian cabinet.A second question is how does one identify an Israeli as opposed to a Lebanese or Palestinian?

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What steps could Israel take to help ameliorate the effects from the great oil spill along the coast of Lebanon? News StoryCould Israel turn this from a PR disaster into a PR triumph?

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Looks like bad logic to me.Things that are apples can be eaten.
Pies can be eaten.
Pies are apples.I doubt you're going to stumble upon a deductively valid argument for human worth where everone agrees on all the premises and definitions.Perhaps one could, however, make an anthropological argument for human value (to humans). Seems rather obvious that peoples who value human life will survive over peoples who don't.

I wish it were that easy, unfortunatly there is a big difference between Hezbolla and Hamas - Hezbolla are larger, well equiped, well funded, and supported by their own country (so it seems), Hamas is a walk in the park compared to them. The kasam rockets that Hamas (I think) use are made of road signs that they steel from Israel (so we get them back with interest ) 'Dont worry we have that covered' /IDF

I dont think anybody wins with this.
Maybe Israel can clean it up and in return keep the oil. (Just a suggestion :rolleyes.

It is though a PR opportunity for Israel. Right now all is against Israel in that one. If though, Israel did a mea culpa, and stepped in to try to mitigate the damage, or at the least made a very public offer to do so, it would turn what is a very bad PR bit into a more favorable one for Israel.It's one of those "Can't hurt to offer" situations.

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Why should chance result in human beings? Chance can bring about anything. Chance means, there is no reason and purpose for our existence. Science does not prove chance.