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Topic: The Law Of Contradiction
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 6 of 177 (339188)
08-11-2006 12:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Ender
08-11-2006 11:07 AM
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jar's amplification of the Law of Contradictions
If GOD exists, then She exists regardless of any evidence that contradicts Its existence. If GOD does not exist then It does not exist regardless of any evidence that contradicts Her non-existence.  Edited by jar, : fix sub-title
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Welcome to EvC
So, do you believe that there is no God or do you know that there is no God? No one living knows whether or not there is a GOD.
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Welcome to EvC
So when you say, as you have said, that you talk to God, you just mean maybe you're talking to God or maybe you're talking to yourself. Certainly. I believe I am talking to GOD, may even personally be pretty sure of it, but I cannot see how anyone living can say they know GOD.
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Welcome to EvC
Oh, I thought you said you talked to God. I'm almost sure you said that. But you didn't really mean that. You meant that you think maybe you talked to God. That's pretty much it.
And when you say the world is awesome, what you mean is maybe it's awesome. Nope, that is verifiable. It is wondrous and awesome. See, here is how it works. Some things can be verified, some things can't. GOD is a matter of belief. While I might believe very strongly I talk to GOD, I must honestly admit I could be wrong. But ...
... is awesome.
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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On wonder
robinrohan writes: OK, I got it. If I don't find the contents of that picture awesome, then I am wrong. There is something wrong with my sensibilities. It's not just a matter of personal taste because the awesomeness can be verified. Only robinrohan can explain robinrohan. I certainly won't try to. However I do feel very sorry for someone who doesn't see that as awesome. Maybe this will be better:
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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does it ever happen?
My main question was why atheists give recognition to the notion of God if they claim to not believe in Him? And why would many of them get angry at the mere prospect of such Being existing? Well, I have never seen anyone get upset over that so in my experience that is a non-issue. In fact I have NEVER seen and atheist get angry at the mere prospect of Gods existence. What I see folk getting upset over, and frankly rightly so, is when someone tries to point to some absolute or objective morality. Not only is that something that is not borne out by history it is insulting. When as has always been the case the person claiming absolute or objective morality is challenged they often turn to some religion as their only support and so far none have been able to point to such a critter.
I'm very pleased that you all are arguing against God, because the one's that project the most venom against Him are the one's closest to their conversion. Its the apathetic ones that really concern me. So far I have not seen anyone doing that even though you have asserted many times that they do. What they have said is that some descriptions of GOD do not stand up to scrutiny. As to conversion, why? Whay should anyone have to suffer through some conversion? Seems pretty silly and pointless to me. The typical atheist has a far higher probability of getting into heaven than the typical Christian.
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Here is why they speak out.
nemesis_juggernaut writes: Atheism 1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods. 2. The doctrine that there is no God or gods. 2. Godlessness; immorality. When you stick in that last item, immorality, then the Atheists not only can, they should call bullshit. If religion, particularly Christianity had ANYTHING like the ethics of secular science then perhaps it might have some right to speak out. But the fact is, Christianity doesn't have anything like the ethics of secular science and so assertions like equating atheism with immorality not only rings hollow, it is simply wrong.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 94 of 177 (339436)
08-11-2006 10:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 93 by Hyroglyphx
08-11-2006 10:10 PM
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Re: Here is why they speak out.
A dictionary is only a historic record, it records HOW words were used. When they are used incorrectly, it is time to point it out. Dictionary.com did not make that post, you did.
Here is the link Now you may well claim that immorality is one of the definitions given, but I do not find it on that page. What I do find is:
dictionary.com writes: a·the·ist Audio pronunciation of "atheist" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-st) n. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods. and:
dictionary.com writes: atheist adj : related to or characterized by or given to atheism; "atheist leanings" [syn: atheistic, atheistical] n : someone who denies the existence of god
No mention of immorality. Like I said, if Christianity had the ethics of secular science then maybe it would have room to talk.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 111 of 177 (339504)
08-12-2006 8:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 97 by Hyroglyphx
08-11-2006 11:51 PM
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Re: Here is why they speak out.
Ah, so the link for Atheism DOES show that folk misuse Atheism. My point still stands. Equating Atheism with immorality is simply wrong. Folk are right to get upset when it is used in that fashion. If Christianity had the ethics of Secular Science then it would be far more respected.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 162 of 177 (362501)
11-07-2006 7:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 161 by foxjoe
11-07-2006 7:47 PM
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gotta ask the right questions
So back to reality, God only exists in the thoughts of humans, and maybe other lifeforms that haven't yet been seen. The Map is not the Territory. Edited by jar, : No reason given.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Troll and Cheat warning
Casey Powell is just JesusFighter Lying For Christ.
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