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robinrohan
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Message 12 of 177 (339197)
08-11-2006 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by PurpleYouko
08-11-2006 12:48 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
Also bear in mind that the actual Atheists here at EVC are in the minority. Most members are actually Christian, just not literalists
I'm not sure. I wonder if we could take a poll. I'm curious.

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robinrohan
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Message 21 of 177 (339221)
08-11-2006 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Hyroglyphx
08-11-2006 1:49 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
What difference would it make in a purposeless existence what anyone thinks? It wouldn't.
Well, you're right. In the long run--in an objective sense--it doesn't matter. In fact, nothing matters in that sense. However, we have our subjective purposes and interests, and so it matters to us in different ways, depending on the individual.
No one is forcing you to come onto EvC, so right there, we can draw a logical conclusion that the topic interests you. If so, why?
It interests me, for one, because I'm not certain.
Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

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robinrohan
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Message 22 of 177 (339223)
08-11-2006 2:02 PM
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08-11-2006 1:53 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
If not, I'll do it.
Go ahead. Sounds good.

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robinrohan
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Message 25 of 177 (339226)
08-11-2006 2:07 PM
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08-11-2006 2:04 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
The atheist is just here to be a polemicist, or as I said, there is some recognition of God at work, otherwise, why spend so much time talking about Deities you don't believe in?
They might have practical reasons for wanting to get rid of religion. They might think it is dangerous.

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robinrohan
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Message 29 of 177 (339245)
08-11-2006 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by PurpleYouko
08-11-2006 2:31 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
Omnipotent = The power to do absolutely anything. No limits can ever be imposed.
Except that which contradicts itself, like making round squares.
I contend that these two concepts cannot co-exist in any one being since he would know everything he is ever going to do and yet still have the power to not do it. Yet the act of not doing itwould mean he was wrong.
I don't get this. Just because he can do something doesn't mean he has to.

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robinrohan
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Message 33 of 177 (339257)
08-11-2006 2:55 PM
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08-11-2006 2:48 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
He has to have the power to negate his own omniscience since that is quite clearly contained with set of things he can do which are defined by EVERYTHING.
Oh, I see what you're saying. One of the things he could do is negate his own omniscience since he can do anything. That might fall into the "round square" category, or at any rate when people--believers--use the word "omnipotent" they don't generally include that.
Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

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robinrohan
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Message 36 of 177 (339276)
08-11-2006 3:33 PM
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08-11-2006 3:02 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
So, when they say "all-powerful", "all" doesn't mean "all" and "powerful" doesn't mean "powerful"....
No, not literally "all."

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robinrohan
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Message 37 of 177 (339278)
08-11-2006 3:34 PM
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08-11-2006 3:21 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
This is an example of a wrong question or rather an illegitimate question.
What "question"?
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robinrohan
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Message 40 of 177 (339284)
08-11-2006 3:41 PM
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08-11-2006 3:34 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
If he was truly Omnipotent then nothing could prevent him changing his mind and buying the PS2
Well, the traditional idea about God is that he doesn't "change his mind." The reason for changing one's mind is that you find out something. God doesn't find things out. He already knows everything.
Here's a theory: God was omniscient, but he gave it up when He created beings with free will. So he's not omniscient anymore. He sacrificed his omniscience for the good of mankind. I think this is a pretty good theory, but I don't know if any theologians have this view.

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robinrohan
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Message 42 of 177 (339288)
08-11-2006 3:47 PM
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08-11-2006 3:45 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
Now what was he that he said to Noah after the flood? Something about being sorry maybe?
Well, I wasn't talking about the God as presented in the Bible.

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robinrohan
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Message 44 of 177 (339299)
08-11-2006 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by PurpleYouko
08-11-2006 3:49 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
Some other God perhaps.
Well, one might be a pure theist, in which case one can disregard the Bible.

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robinrohan
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Message 49 of 177 (339309)
08-11-2006 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Hyroglyphx
08-11-2006 4:25 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
Exactly. I tried to argue that point just a moment ago by using multiple sentences
Well, what Purple Youko meant is that if He is omnipotent then He has the power to negate his own omniscience, which cannot be. But when people say God is ominipotent, this does not mean He can do literally anything--as you pointed out earlier.
As regards your point about morals, you are correct. Assuming morals are subjective, I have no logical reason for deciding what is right and wrong. I just go by my feelings.

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robinrohan
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Message 53 of 177 (339316)
08-11-2006 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by jar
08-11-2006 4:53 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
No one living knows whether or not there is a GOD.
So when you say, as you have said, that you talk to God, you just mean maybe you're talking to God or maybe you're talking to yourself.

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robinrohan
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Message 56 of 177 (339319)
08-11-2006 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by PurpleYouko
08-11-2006 5:04 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
NO IT ISN"T!!!
See this is what pisses me off and keeps me in the argument. People telling me what I believe in when I patently DO NOT believe that.
Atheism is specifically defined by the lack of (that is what the A prefix means) Theism (or a belief on God or Gods)
It is just like A-Sexual (lack of sex) or are you going to tell me that a Asexual creature/thing actively believes that Sex does not exist.
I have a little problem with that comparison. Asexuality has to do with an action or lack of it, not a belief. Why are you nitpicking about this? What difference does it make if you say, "I believe there is no God" or "I don't believe there is a God"? That's all this distinction you are trying to make amounts to.

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robinrohan
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Message 58 of 177 (339326)
08-11-2006 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by jar
08-11-2006 5:13 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
I believe I am talking to GOD, may even personally be pretty sure of it, but I cannot see how anyone living can say they know GOD.
Oh, I thought you said you talked to God. I'm almost sure you said that. But you didn't really mean that. You meant that you think maybe you talked to God. And when you say the world is awesome, what you mean is maybe it's awesome.

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