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Dr Adequate
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Message 61 of 177 (339330)
08-11-2006 6:09 PM
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08-11-2006 11:54 AM


Re: Welcome to EvC
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But there is always one thing they are typically incapable of answering truthfully. The mere fact that they spend inordinate amounts of time attempting to dissuade you in your faith coupled with the fact that many of them turn rabid against Christians speaks very loudly that there is still part of them that wants to believe, and in certain respects, do still believe. Case in point: I don't believe in flying-purple elephants. Because I don't believe in them I find no compulsion to argue about their existence, much less give it any thought. But this doesnt work for the atheist, otherwise, why not just spend as much time attempting to refute the existence of the flying-purple elephant? Why not something arbitrary to argue about?
Interesting. Why do you spend your time arguing against atheism?
Is this because you are really an atheist, or does your magic pop psychology in which people magically believe the opposite of what they say only apply to other people and not to you?

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robinrohan
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Message 62 of 177 (339332)
08-11-2006 6:09 PM
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08-11-2006 6:02 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
It is wondrous and awesome.
See, here is how it works. Some things can be verified, some things can't.
OK, I got it. If I don't find the contents of that picture awesome, then I am wrong. There is something wrong with my sensibilities. It's not just a matter of personal taste because the awesomeness can be verified.

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jar
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Message 63 of 177 (339336)
08-11-2006 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by robinrohan
08-11-2006 6:09 PM


On wonder
robinrohan writes:
OK, I got it. If I don't find the contents of that picture awesome, then I am wrong. There is something wrong with my sensibilities. It's not just a matter of personal taste because the awesomeness can be verified.
Only robinrohan can explain robinrohan. I certainly won't try to.
However I do feel very sorry for someone who doesn't see that as awesome. Maybe this will be better:

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Heathen
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Message 64 of 177 (339338)
08-11-2006 6:22 PM
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08-11-2006 11:54 AM


Re: Welcome to EvC
Deleted.. subbie already made my point...
Edited by Creavolution, : deleted

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robinrohan
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Message 65 of 177 (339340)
08-11-2006 6:26 PM
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08-11-2006 6:18 PM


Re: On wonder
However I do feel very sorry for someone who doesn't see that as awesome.
Would you stop dehumanizing me? I don't need your pity.

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Omnivorous
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Message 66 of 177 (339353)
08-11-2006 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Hyroglyphx
08-11-2006 11:54 AM


Re: Welcome to EvC
n_j writes:
It starts out very civil until they realize whether or not you can debate and whether or not you have good points. The better your arguments, the more their vehemence will increase.
It's hard to know where to start--but, yes, skillful debate and strong arguments earn respect here; they will also elicit skillful rebuttals with strong arguments. You believe this is wrong?
But there is always one thing they are typically incapable of answering truthfully.
The "liar" insult carries little weight with rational folk. I'm surprised to see you undermine yourself in this self-trivializing way.
The mere fact that they spend inordinate amounts of time attempting to dissuade you in your faith coupled with the fact that many of them turn rabid against Christians speaks very loudly that there is still part of them that wants to believe, and in certain respects, do still believe.
The forum's focus is Evolution vs. Creationism. You will note that the faith-centered forums here draw little attention from the atheists and agnostics. But when Creationists venture into the science forums to attempt justifying intrusions of religious belief into public education and policy, the response is, indeed, as multivocal and focused as it should be.
Case in point: I don't believe in flying-purple elephants. Because I don't believe in them I find no compulsion to argue about their existence, much less give it any thought. But this doesnt work for the atheist, otherwise, why not just spend as much time attempting to refute the existence of the flying-purple elephant? Why not something arbitrary to argue about? Why?-- Its because there is something in them that is mindful of their Creator and the mere fact that they give Him such 'undue' attention should speak very loudly to you that they do in fact care and that they are in fact effected by the notion of God.
That's pretty sad logic, nj. Try promoting instruction in the tenets of FPEs in public schools, and you will see a commensurate response. It's fine to be a partisan, but don't delude yourself into believing that rhetoric is reason.
Your initial response to the OP is a good case study. You make broad charges against other forum participants, typifying their beliefs and behaviors--and then refuse to substantiate your claims, instead referring vaguely to other forums and brushing aside demands for examples as though the very idea of evidence were an insult.
This is one of the science forums. You could flail away in one of the faith-based forums, and elicit little response. But that was not your intent; just so, Creationists are largely not content to hold their own beliefs, but wish to impose public policy and educational consequences on others. The fact that we more secularly minded folk resist does not validate their pernicious beliefs about our motives.

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Omnivorous
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Message 67 of 177 (339356)
08-11-2006 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by robinrohan
08-11-2006 5:59 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
robin writes:
You gave the first reason, something about all atheists deep down believing that god does exist, that's why we can't stop talking about it, or something along those lines
Yes, I got that impression too. But he didn't actually say that.
Yes, he did.
n_j writes:
The mere fact that they spend inordinate amounts of time attempting to dissuade you in your faith coupled with the fact that many of them turn rabid against Christians speaks very loudly that there is still part of them that wants to believe, and in certain respects, do still believe.
Edited by Omnivorous, : fixed quote

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robinrohan
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Message 68 of 177 (339361)
08-11-2006 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Omnivorous
08-11-2006 7:13 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
The mere fact that they spend inordinate amounts of time attempting to dissuade you in your faith coupled with the fact that many of them turn rabid against Christians speaks very loudly that there is still part of them that wants to believe, and in certain respects, do still believe.
He didn't actually say that.

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Omnivorous
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Message 69 of 177 (339363)
08-11-2006 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by robinrohan
08-11-2006 7:19 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
I'm flummoxed, Robin.
Do you mean he didn't actually say it, he only typed it?
Are you expressing incredulity at his saying it?
Or something more subtle that I've missed entirely?

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robinrohan
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Message 70 of 177 (339365)
08-11-2006 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Omnivorous
08-11-2006 7:24 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
Do you mean he didn't actually say it, he only typed it?
Did you actually quote word for word his sorry ass?

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Omnivorous
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Message 71 of 177 (339379)
08-11-2006 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by robinrohan
08-11-2006 7:27 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
Yup.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 72 of 177 (339381)
08-11-2006 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Annafan
08-11-2006 4:29 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
How does one decide about his or her approach to something that hides itself so successfully?
I don't understand what you're arriving at, can you elaborate, please?
There seem to be as many ideas of what exactly "God" constitutes, as there are 'believers'. I have yet to meet anyone who could properly show me 'God', such that I could take a definitive decision
That is really a non-issue. The issue is whether or not God exists, not to define what or who God is. That gets into the finer aspects of theology which is a completely separate argument. Its the same as Intelligent Design not claiming that YHWH is the Creator, but that a Creator must exist. Its also like absolute and relative morals. We aren't arguing over what the morals are, but just that they must exist. Its a broad philosophical argument, not a narrow theological discussion.
The answer to the question what my approach to 'God' is, depends on the person who asks it.
Your answer about God changes depending on who asks you? Did I understand that correctly?

“If chance be the father of all flesh then disaster is his rainbow in the sky. And when you hear of, state of emergencies, sniper kills ten, youths go looting, bomb blasts school, it is but the sound of man worshipping his maker” -Steve Turner

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robinrohan
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Message 73 of 177 (339384)
08-11-2006 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Omnivorous
08-11-2006 7:53 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
Well, in that case . . .

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robinrohan
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Message 74 of 177 (339386)
08-11-2006 7:59 PM
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08-11-2006 7:56 PM


nemesis
So are you saying that people like me really believe, when they think they don't?

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nator
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Message 75 of 177 (339387)
08-11-2006 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Hyroglyphx
08-11-2006 12:52 PM


Re: Welcome to EvC
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Why not just choose something arbitrary to get angry about? This leads me to believe that there is something in themselves that recognizes God as a threat. But a threat only comes from a fear that He might just exist.
It is condecending, arrogant, patronizing attitudes such as this that prompt some of us to become irritated.

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