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Quetzal
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Message 67 of 95 (340373)
08-15-2006 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by mr_matrix
08-15-2006 5:57 PM


Now I ask you, have you (or any other evolutionist)ever observed a species turning to a different kind of species?
Culex molestus speciated from Culex pipiens due to behavioral and geographic isolating mechanisms within the last 100 years. Attempts at forced-breeding experiments show each species is a "true" species.

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Quetzal
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Message 68 of 95 (340376)
08-15-2006 7:03 PM
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08-15-2006 5:57 PM


How can the avian lung evolve from a normal lung? Any evolutionist willing to explain? Who can respond to the article linked above with a detailed scientific reply that explicitely shows the possiblity of such lung evolution and not a 100% imaginary scenario? Are there any species demonstrating intermediary lungs?
Theropod dinosaurs which predate modern birds, show most of the characteristics you are looking for in "intermediary lungs", especially the early theropod Majungatholus atopus. See O'Connor PM, Claessens PAM, 2005, "Basic avian pulmonary design and flow-through ventilation in non-avian theropod dinosaurs", Nature 436:253-256. In other words, birds inherited their lungs from their theropod predecessors.
In addition, you are incorrect concerning avian anatomy. Many modern birds have both uni-directional (via the palaeopulmonic bronchi) and bi-directional flow (via the neopulmonic bronchi). I guess, based on your definition, this means that modern birds ARE the "intermediaries" you were looking for.

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Quetzal
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Message 69 of 95 (340400)
08-15-2006 9:04 PM
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08-15-2006 5:57 PM


I still ask you to show examples of bad designs in nature instead of asking me to show such examples since my answer is "non" because there is no bad design in nature.
How about the mammalian recurrent laryngeal nerve? Talk about kludgy design. This nerve is crucial for servicing the larynx. In a "good" design, it would branch off the spinal cord, go directly to the larynx, and voila. However, your brilliant designer decided that was entirely too easy. The nerve actually does branch off the spinal cord in the neck, but then travels down the back, loops around the back side of the aorta near the heart, then travels all the way back up to the larynx again. Lots of "extra" nerve fibers required in all that down and up again wiring. In the giraffe, this translates to something on the order of 5 meters of extra wiring. Good design, hunh?

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Quetzal
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Message 84 of 95 (340802)
08-17-2006 11:52 AM
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08-16-2006 11:26 PM


Excellent. Thanks for the link Clark. Always nice to realize I'm not just talking out my fundament...
Now if only Mr. Matrix would return. Think we scared him away?

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