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Author Topic:   Poll; theist, atheist or agnostic
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Message 66 of 295 (339447)
08-11-2006 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by robinrohan
08-11-2006 2:44 PM


Swing Vote
To paraphrase one of jars favorite words, this whole thing is silly.
For the record, I am a theist.
Robin of Rohan writes:
What about agnostics? Can we throw them into the atheist camp for all practical purposes?
the way I understood it, a theist believes and is sure of their belief.
An agnostic is unsure or unconvinced yet remains open minded.
An atheist has decided that there is no God and rejects theistic absolutes and uncertainties.
So...why do the agnostics get to be in the atheist camp? They are a third category.

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Message 83 of 295 (339506)
08-12-2006 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by crashfrog
08-12-2006 2:40 AM


Re: Update
Hey No Fair! If Crashfrog gets to be an "atheist of course" then I get to be a "Theist, of course!" Its only fair!~
And how come nemesis juggernaut gets to be at the top of the darn Theist list!! Why can't I the humblest, most holy and revered Theist of all of us be at the top!
*pouts*

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Message 196 of 295 (340489)
08-16-2006 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by Hyroglyphx
08-15-2006 9:47 PM


Re: Updating the updated updates for purposes of updating the updated updates
well it unofficially looks like EvC clearly has more who are not declared Theists. But what does this prove? People are people.
I like debating and discussing spiritual issues with actual thinking people rather than with a bunch of robotic scripture quoters over at TheologyWeb.
(Not, you, Nemesis! Your scriptures are very nice! )

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Message 239 of 295 (341338)
08-19-2006 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by Hyroglyphx
08-17-2006 8:04 PM


The symbolic ladder to Heaven
Nemesis Juggernaut, you do have some critics (message#237) that have a valid point.
Methinks the purpose of the list(s) was to get a clear idea of how many EvC posters fit each category, rather than any inferences that EvC is one giant Lost and Found!
It is human nature to categorize people, and as long as it is not done in any sort of prejudicial manner, I see no harm in it.
I think that we are all agnostics in a way, though---in that we do not know anything beyond our internal belief and choice within our hearts and minds.

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Message 263 of 295 (341863)
08-21-2006 7:40 AM
Reply to: Message 260 by Hyroglyphx
08-20-2006 11:20 AM


Re: More updates
nemisis_juggernaut writes:
A Deist is a form of Theist.
Im not so sure!

the”ism n : belief in the existence of a god or gods ”
athe”ist n : one who denies the existence of God ”
de”ism n, often cap : a system of thought advocating natural religion based on human morality and reason rather than divine revelation ”
ag”nos”ticadj [Gk agn—stos unknown, unknowable, fr. a- un- + gn—stos known] : of or relating to the belief that the existence of any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable ”
My idea of a theist is defined as someone who believes in God (or gods, I suppose ) to the extent that they believe that God imagined/created us before we as a species imagined/conceptualized Him (or her).
My idea of an atheist is someone who simply doesnt consider the idea of God (or gods, Easter Bunnies, I.P.U.'s or Santa Claus) on a level worthy of belief. Atheists don't so much deny God as ignore or reject the idea as archaic.
My idea of an agnostic is someone who has never met or felt or realized the existance of God yet who remains open to the idea---in that IF God is knowable, the ball is surely in Gods court!
The definition of a deist, however, strikes me as concluding that God is an accepted concept within the parameters of human wisdom and that God is not mysterious or supernatural. The fact that Deists by definition base the origin of the concept of God within the human mind gives me cause to label them outside of strict theistic belief, which would see God (gods) as independant of human thought, reasoning, or definition.

“There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "All right, then, have it your way” --C.S.Lewis

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Message 268 of 295 (341965)
08-21-2006 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by ringo
08-21-2006 1:12 PM


In a class by himself
Ringo writes:
How would you categorize somebody who has felt the same things that theists feel (to the extent that one human can "know" what another human feels) but doesn't ascribe those feelings to an external entity?
I hesitate to be the one doing the categorizing.

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Message 283 of 295 (342780)
08-23-2006 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Legend
08-21-2006 2:51 PM


Re: Theist, Atheist, or Agnostic
Legend writes:
with regard to the Christian God I'm an atheist.
with regard to any other gods I'm an agnostic.
Lemme get this straight. In regards to the Christian God, to me, means that God is Spirit, is alive today and incarnated through Jesus Christ. You say that you definitely don't acknowledge that! Yet...any other gods means what? Gosh, Legend...you sure did add to the confusion!
and please don't bring up the I.P.U., Loki the trickster, or that darn spaghetti monster!

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