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Michael Member (Idle past 4666 days) Posts: 199 From: USA Joined: |
Setting up arbitrary categories is just asking people which float they want to ride on. Nah. With regard to atheists, it's more like all those guys riding around on the mini-bikes in the parade--identifiable as a group but each going their own way. So grab a bike ... don't forget your fez.
Ringo writes: I am God. Okay, we might not have a fez in your size.
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ohnhai Member (Idle past 5190 days) Posts: 649 From: Melbourne, Australia Joined: |
Atheist (capital A)
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Although I appreciate nemesis_juggernaut finally showing a sense of humour about something What are you talking about? ........................... “It is in vain, O' man, that you seek within yourselves the cure for all your miseries. All your insight has led you to the knowledge that it is not in yourselves that you will discover the true and the good.” -Blaise Pascal
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
I don't think they really have a label for me. I've never been good a fitting into niches. Hmmmmm? Painful childhood memories manifesting themselves in adulthood by an aversion to conformity in order to feel the superiority they lacked in childhood. How close was I? I'm just messin' with you. .......... Or am I?
Notice I labeled myself a Deist, since I reject the rituals of organized religion, and got put under the Theists. A Deist is a form of Theist. The poll stems from an argument between another member and I about whether or not there are more atheists than theists. It was just sort of a fun, inquisitive poll. If I broke everyone's beliefs down into their smallest sudivision, we'd be all over the place. I mean, I've noticed that I can't two Deists to come to an agreement on the notion of God. And maybe 'organized religion' seems far removed from your personal beliefs, as pantheism seems far removed from mine, but we are still Theists. Please don't be offended. It was not my intention. “It is in vain, O' man, that you seek within yourselves the cure for all your miseries. All your insight has led you to the knowledge that it is not in yourselves that you will discover the true and the good.” -Blaise Pascal
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TechnoCore Inactive Member |
I'm an atheist
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
purpledawn writes: I do think one needs to stay consistant within a thread, but in a new thread a person could choose to take the opposite stance. I think it's even acceptable to take a "sliding" position within a thread, if something you learn does change your position - as long as you acknowledge the change.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
nemisis_juggernaut writes: Im not so sure!
A Deist is a form of Theist. the”ism n : belief in the existence of a god or gods ” athe”ist n : one who denies the existence of God ” de”ism n, often cap : a system of thought advocating natural religion based on human morality and reason rather than divine revelation ” ag”nos”ticadj [Gk agn—stos unknown, unknowable, fr. a- un- + gn—stos known] : of or relating to the belief that the existence of any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable ” My idea of an atheist is someone who simply doesnt consider the idea of God (or gods, Easter Bunnies, I.P.U.'s or Santa Claus) on a level worthy of belief. Atheists don't so much deny God as ignore or reject the idea as archaic. My idea of an agnostic is someone who has never met or felt or realized the existance of God yet who remains open to the idea---in that IF God is knowable, the ball is surely in Gods court! The definition of a deist, however, strikes me as concluding that God is an accepted concept within the parameters of human wisdom and that God is not mysterious or supernatural. The fact that Deists by definition base the origin of the concept of God within the human mind gives me cause to label them outside of strict theistic belief, which would see God (gods) as independant of human thought, reasoning, or definition. “There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "All right, then, have it your way” --C.S.Lewis
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
The definition of a deist, however, strikes me as concluding that God is an accepted concept within the parameters of human wisdom and that God is not mysterious or supernatural. The fact that Deists by definition base the origin of the concept of God within the human mind gives me cause to label them outside of strict theistic belief, which would see God (gods) as independant of human thought, reasoning, or definition. The god of the Deists is real. He's just not personal.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes: My idea of an agnostic is someone who has never met or felt or realized the existance of God yet who remains open to the idea.... How would you categorize somebody who has felt the same things that theists feel (to the extent that one human can "know" what another human feels) but doesn't ascribe those feelings to an external entity? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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mitchellmckain Member (Idle past 6451 days) Posts: 60 From: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA Joined: |
I don't know where you got your definitions from but that definition is at least incomplete or misleadin and at worst down right incorrect.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/deist writes:
de·ism (dzm, d-)n. The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation. Wikipedia writes:
Historical and modern deism (from Latin: deus) is defined by the view that reason and logic, rather than revelation or tradition, should be the basis of belief in God. Deists reject both organized and revealed religion and maintain that reason is the essential element in all knowledge. For a "rational basis for religion" they refer to the cosmological argument (first cause argument), the teleological argument (argument from design), and other aspects of what was called natural religion. Deism has also come to be identified with the classical belief that God created but does not intervene in the world, though this is not a necessary component of deism. http://www.answers.com/topic/deism writes:
de·ismn. The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation. http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861603447/deism.html writes:
de·ism noun Definition: rational belief in God: a belief in God based on reason rather than revelation and involving the view that God has set the universe in motion but does not interfere with how it runs. Deism was especially influential in the 17th and 18th centuries. See my relativistic physics of space flight simimulator at Astahost.com
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mitchellmckain Member (Idle past 6451 days) Posts: 60 From: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA Joined: |
Ring writes:
An atheist playing games.
How would you categorize somebody who has felt the same things that theists feel (to the extent that one human can "know" what another human feels) but doesn't ascribe those feelings to an external entity? To think that you are feeling the same things that theists feel but that these are not due to an external entity is a denial of the experience of the theist. Such a person is essentially atheist, for even if he declares that existence of God is merely unknowable, he repudiates the idea that any experience of God could have any basis in fact. See my relativistic physics of space flight simimulator at Astahost.com
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Ringo writes: I hesitate to be the one doing the categorizing.
How would you categorize somebody who has felt the same things that theists feel (to the extent that one human can "know" what another human feels) but doesn't ascribe those feelings to an external entity?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
mitchellmckain writes: An atheist playing games. Ding ding ding ding! You win the prize! That's the first time I've actually been called an "atheist" at EvC.
To think that you are feeling the same things that theists feel but that these are not due to an external entity is a denial of the experience of the theist. Nonsense. It is the theist who is denying my experience. I grew up in an utterly theist environment and I am telling you that I have the same feelings as every theist I have ever met.I am just saying that I'm not convinced that those feelings were injected into me. ... he repudiates the idea that any experience of God could have any basis in fact. Pay attention: I am saying that the "experience" does have a basis in fact - but there is a possible disconnect between that fact and "God". Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Legend Member (Idle past 5034 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
dang, I just saw this thread.
anyway, with regard to the Christian God I'm an atheist. with regard to any other gods I'm an agnostic. glad I could add to the confusion "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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