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Larni
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Message 61 of 108 (341874)
08-21-2006 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by CK
08-21-2006 8:08 AM


Re: Why not?
CK writes:

of course! it's wonderful fun - I'd argue over anything - even subjects I have no interest in at all.

LOL. Stare them right in the face and confidently claim the most outrageous falsehood that just might be true.

Priceless fun.


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ramoss
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Message 62 of 108 (341877)
08-21-2006 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by kuresu
08-21-2006 12:00 AM


Re: Why not?
It's not a law, but from a practical point of view, an atheist won't be elected to office if he lack of religious belief is known. ALthough, Jesse Ventura was an atheist
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clpMINI
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Message 63 of 108 (341880)
08-21-2006 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by kuresu
08-19-2006 2:03 PM


Wow the similarities!
kuresu,

Take out the philosophy class part (my high school didn't offer one) and you pretty much described me.

I also grew up in SW Virginia, I am an Eagle Scout, and lets just say that I never got the God and County award in scouts. I was in the Martinsville area then.

Now I am in Richmond, and my boss's wife tried to pry the Darwin Fish off the back of my MINI with her car key! How's that for a hostile work place?

~clpMINI


I mean, this is America. Everybody loves seeing lesbians go at it, as long as they are both hot and not in a monogamous, legally sanctioned relationship.
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crashfrog
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Message 64 of 108 (341881)
08-21-2006 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by arachnophilia
08-21-2006 2:50 AM


Re: Why not?
george w. bush.

Jeez, why not start with the Pope?


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ohnhai
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Message 65 of 108 (341895)
08-21-2006 10:49 AM
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08-16-2006 12:00 PM


free to worship what you will as long as you worship......
Fortunately I’ve never lived in a society where I’ve felt the need to be mindful of stating my position and stance. I am more than happy to argue the toss with whomever I encounter.

I pity America, the so called land of the free, where Atheists need to so careful about revealing their ideology should they fall foul of victimisation from their peers or potential employees…

Shame on you America.


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arachnophilia
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Message 66 of 108 (341900)
08-21-2006 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by crashfrog
08-21-2006 9:00 AM


Re: Why not?
george w. bush.

Jeez, why not start with the Pope?

no, i'm willing to entertain the possibility that the pope is indeed a christian. :P


אָרַח

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ohnhai
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Message 67 of 108 (341903)
08-21-2006 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by kuresu
08-21-2006 12:00 AM


Re: Why not?
yup , so much for that land of the free..

you have already surerndered your freedom to the christian fundamentalists in your once great nation.


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Message 68 of 108 (341905)
08-21-2006 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by ohnhai
08-21-2006 11:16 AM


Re: Why not?
Actually we've surrendered it several times in the past as it is. Specifically thinking about the 1820's with the first Great Awakening, fire and brimstone style. The one just prior to the 1860's was instrumental in triggering the Civil War (that and the fact there was a helluva alot of young people and man they started the first modern war with an estimated 700,000 deaths). 1920's saw the culmination of the fundamentalists again this time it was on prohibition, (see that one was pretty bad they got huge political power to pass an amendment). Uh then there was the 60's and Reagan era stuff.

Living for the temporal has always managed to win out. If the first 3 great awakenings meant anything. The fourth one, though i'm not so sure, they are just a little bit more organized this time it seems.


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crashfrog
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Message 69 of 108 (341906)
08-21-2006 11:29 AM
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08-21-2006 11:16 AM


Re: Why not?
you have already surerndered your freedom to the christian fundamentalists in your once great nation.

True. On the other hand? The food is great.

I'm curious - what's the Australian constitution like?


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ohnhai
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Message 70 of 108 (341908)
08-21-2006 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by crashfrog
08-21-2006 11:29 AM


Re: Why not?
What do I care? I'm a foreign national..... :)

More seriously you do seem free to say and believe what you want . even if that mean not believing in any kind of god.

and on the food thing... Mc Donnalds is nothing to write home about...... :P

Edited by ohnhai, : No reason given.


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crashfrog
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Message 71 of 108 (341923)
08-21-2006 12:08 PM
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08-21-2006 11:32 AM


Re: Why not?
and on the food thing... Mc Donnalds is nothing to write home about.....

Barbeque, though. For realz. Not "anothah shrimp on thah barbie", but real, slow-smoked, dry-rubbed, juicy succulent pork or beef brisket barbeque. Nothin' like it anywhere in the world.


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kuresu
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Message 72 of 108 (342043)
08-21-2006 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by clpMINI
08-21-2006 8:57 AM


Re: Wow the similarities!
I never did learn the geogrpahy of that area when I lived in virginia.

I grew up in bristol.

the silly city on the state line (at least, the tennessee bristol is really silly)


All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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MangyTiger
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Message 73 of 108 (342101)
08-21-2006 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by ramoss
08-21-2006 8:31 AM


Re: Why not?
ALthough, Jesse Ventura was an atheist

You mean the WWF isn't a religion? :)


Oops! Wrong Planet
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MangyTiger
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Message 74 of 108 (342105)
08-21-2006 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by anglagard
08-21-2006 12:30 AM


Re: Why not?
Back in the 80s when I was in the US Army, they did allow me to have Panthiest on my dogtags for religious preference, however my roommate at the time was not allowed to have Satanist on his dogtags. This is despite his sincere belief system based upon the writings of LaVey.

It made the news over here a couple of years ago when the Royal Navy offically recognised its first registered Satanist (who also based his belief on LaVey).

Needless to say, some on the Christian Right weren't best pleased.


Oops! Wrong Planet
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Dr Jack
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Message 75 of 108 (342260)
08-22-2006 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by sidelined
08-16-2006 12:00 PM


I have often wondered if atheists here find it difficult in their locality to speak out as being a non believer in the general public or if they find that they are ostrasized by family or friends and just how they feel about that.

No, I don't.

In fact, the reverse is true. In England, you are much more likely to receive a negative response for coming out as actively religious than you are for either being apathetic about religion or actively not religious.

I know this, because I've done both over the years.

Edited by Mr Jack, : Stupid typo made sentence make no sense.


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