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Peter
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Message 31 of 47 (29841)
01-22-2003 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by peter borger
01-21-2003 6:54 PM


It would be nice if you started addressing criticism of
your model with elaboration rather than repetition.

Also, I don't believe that NRM has particular relevence to
the question of how YEC's explain the emergence of races.


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peter borger
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Message 32 of 47 (29850)
01-22-2003 5:01 AM
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01-22-2003 2:45 AM


Dear Peter,

P:It would be nice if you started addressing criticism of
your model with elaboration rather than repetition.
Also, I don't believe that NRM has particular relevence to
the question of how YEC's explain the emergence of races.

PB: You are right. Did you observe any urgent criticism I missed?

Best wishes,
Pter


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ddmcneill
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Message 33 of 47 (29900)
01-22-2003 1:32 PM
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12-25-2002 9:39 AM


http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/realeve/interactive/migration.html

This is one of the best sites that will explain the migration of the human journey to multiple races.

[This message has been edited by ddmcneill, 01-22-2003]


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ddmcneill
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Message 34 of 47 (29903)
01-22-2003 1:43 PM
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01-08-2003 10:01 AM


What's up

I dont fully get the answer to your question but, the link to a Discovery program that will explain the migration of the human race is
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/realeve/interactive/migration.html

I think the person question was where did we get different races from.


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ddmcneill
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Message 35 of 47 (29904)
01-22-2003 1:50 PM
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01-08-2003 5:46 AM


I think your timeline is completely wrong, this site will help you get your Bible Time line in order. http://agards-bible-timeline.com/timeline_online.html The totly history of the Bible only goes back 4004 BC which we know that began with The man they called Adam. We had races over 10k years ago, an interesting subject that I enjoyed studying was Eygpt, you will find loads of truth to man kind by studying the Eygption.

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Peter
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Message 36 of 47 (29994)
01-23-2003 5:45 AM
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01-22-2003 1:50 PM


quote:
Originally posted by ddmcneill:
I think your timeline is completely wrong, this site will help you get your Bible Time line in order. http://agards-bible-timeline.com/timeline_online.html The totly history of the Bible only goes back 4004 BC which we know that began with The man they called Adam. We had races over 10k years ago, an interesting subject that I enjoyed studying was Eygpt, you will find loads of truth to man kind by studying the Eygption.

[This message has been edited by ddmcneill, 01-22-2003]


The site you posted confirms my timing. I said that the flood was
approx. 4500 years ago which is around 2500 BCE. The site
you suggested says the flood was aroun 2380 BC so just about
the same as I said.

The problem for races and the bible is that within some
300 years of the flood there were Egyptians ... all descended
from Noah and his three sons (and their wives).

I brought this up in the Biblical Accuracy forum under the topic
of 'Where did the Egyptians come from?' So there's no real
need to go into shoe-horned population dynamics here


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Jesuslover153
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Message 37 of 47 (34202)
03-12-2003 1:07 PM
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12-25-2002 9:39 AM


I believe that the reason we see the 'people groups' of our world with there own race like qualities (which when compared to the genes of any two people on earth are significantly small), and set over different geographical zones by the Babel experience...
now to clarify where I am coming from, I believe that 'Pangaea' existed at this time and that there was a second cataclysmic event that broke this continent apart(the flood being the first), people groups had started to populate the region ( I put the number at about around 2000 +/- 100 people) most likely there were groups of around 300 peoples that had seperated into different areas of 'Pangaea' but God did not like what was happening in this geographical area so he struck the earth with a asteroid or something on a larger scale, (this could also and most likely is the reason for the Ice Epoch too)... environment has had everything to do with our genes... the Pre Pangaean people where genetically superior to what we observe today, with not nearly the mistakes we have today... certainly mistakes would have been quicker in coming into our genes and setting apart the people groups after this cataclysmic event (not only where there languages confounded from each others over time but so to where there genetic traits)

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William E. Harris
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Message 38 of 47 (34241)
03-13-2003 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by peter borger
12-27-2002 9:51 PM


Divergent organs in evolution
This is not really in reply to your topic. I wonder if you could give me some examples of similar organs deveoloping in different branches of the phlogenetic tree? William
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William E. Harris
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Message 39 of 47 (34242)
03-13-2003 12:41 AM
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03-13-2003 12:37 AM


Re: Divergent organs in evolution
Sorry about the typos. Could you give me some examples of parallel organs being developed after phylogenetic branching. William
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Cryptic
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Message 40 of 47 (37967)
04-25-2003 2:54 AM


I believe that genetic code was weakend during the 'evolution/creation' of the human race. Strands of DNA evenutally wear out and breakdown due to years of breeding and illnesses. During 'evolution' this would explain the diversity of language and skin tone. Some people claim that latin was the first language ever, while others say Greek was. Depending on religous beliefs, peoples opinions would of course be different. If 'god' created the human race, then he probably wouldn't have made different races. DNA has taken large strides throughout history and have been altered, broken down, examined and put back together to try and create a better human. Hence creating the world we live in today, but hey, Im only 16, I haven't lived forever...And trust me, I don't think anyone will...
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Message 41 of 47 (37970)
04-25-2003 3:07 AM
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04-25-2003 2:54 AM


language
quote:
Some people claim that latin was the first language ever, while others say Greek was. Depending on religous beliefs, peoples opinions would of course be different

Reference please. Some people may believe this but that sure doesn't make it reasonable.

In the same vein where do you get your ideas about the "history" of DNA? Sounds like you're making it up as you go along.


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crashfrog
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Message 42 of 47 (37978)
04-25-2003 4:03 AM
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04-25-2003 2:54 AM


Some people claim that latin was the first language ever, while others say Greek was.

The only people making this claim are those who have no knowledge of linguistics. A good dictionary will usually have a language tree somewhere in the beginning; if you grab yours and look you'll discover that neither Latin nor Greek are anywhere close to the bottom. Sanskrit (for instance) is much closer to the bottom. Of course, no one knows what the "first" language was - if such a thing exists - but it's obvious that both Greek and Latin developed from earlier languages.

Certainly these two languages form the roots of a number of European languages, including English. But compare latin or greek to any asian or arab language and you'll see they share almost no similarities.

DNA has taken large strides throughout history and have been altered, broken down, examined and put back together to try and create a better human.

Either you're reading too much science-fiction (is that possible?) or else you're imposing a goal on evolution where none exists. The purpose of evolution is not to build a better human. The purpose of evolution is that it has no real purpose, it only has results. And the results are organisms that are adapted to their environments.

As far as specific, deliberate alteration of human gene sequences, we've only taken the first baby-steps on that path. Many people oppose it and the ethics of doing that kind of experimentation on humans are dubious as best. We're a long, long way from designer babies.

Im only 16, I haven't lived forever...And trust me, I don't think anyone will...

For a 16-year old you appear to have an inquisitive mind. Keep it up and welcome to the board. Don't take my comments personally (or anyone else's). Keep learning and stay in school. Ok, time for me to stop before I sound more like one of those NBC ads.

Ok, my thoughts on race - it doesn't exist. As it turns out there's no reliable genetic markers that correspond with what most people think of as race. Race is something we invented in our minds to explain why people from far-off places look so much different than the people who live near us. it's all just adaptation. As travel technologies make our world smaller I predict that ultimately race will disappear, or at least be made much less prominent. In the future it will be impossible to determine what "races" someone belongs to at a glance.

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Peter
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Message 43 of 47 (38419)
04-30-2003 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by crashfrog
04-25-2003 4:03 AM


There are a few physiological differences though.

Guess it's just the same as 'types' of domestic cat
though ... different fur patterns and colours and lengths
but ultimately just different shades of cat.

Even then, the question for this thread stands ... how did the
variation get into the human populaiton given a YEC-biblical
time scale.


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Message 44 of 47 (39576)
05-10-2003 1:04 AM
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04-30-2003 8:16 AM


Well i remember reading in a book an explaintion for it, but i do not remember much of it except one point. The main point was that adam and eve must have been in middle, as in a brown colour. Since all humans are essentially just differnt shades of the same colour, they had all of the genes nessisary for every possible skin colour. Im not going to go into detail about why, but it seems that this is happending right now in India. Even within the same family, you can get brother who is very dark, a sister who is very light and all thats inbetween.
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Peter
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Message 45 of 47 (39670)
05-11-2003 4:01 AM
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05-10-2003 1:04 AM


They we look is not all there is to what we
commonly call race, though. There are some other
minor physiological differences (like bone and muscular
arrangements), but again these fit well within the
bounds of natural variation.

But cultural differences are also part of what we
call 'race'.

According to the Bible we are all direct descendents of
Noah (via his three sons after the flood), and yet within
a relatively short space of time there is a Pharoah in Egypt ...
a radically different culture and world view to Noah's.


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