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kuresu
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Message 91 of 108 (342545)
08-22-2006 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Hyroglyphx
08-22-2006 6:34 PM


Re: Why not?
must we make the point, yet again, that english common law was established before the christians got to england?
besides, how can a penal code have punishments if it's based off of the commandments--does it ever label a single punishment for breaking the code?
no. so here we have a law without punishment--what a great system.

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nator
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Message 92 of 108 (342604)
08-23-2006 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Hyroglyphx
08-22-2006 12:52 PM


Re: Why not?
quote:
I don't think there should be graveyards at all, as it seems like a terrible waste of land.
In many cases, cemataries are the only large swath of green earth left in an otherwise concrete and steel jungle city, so they are hardly a waste of land.
And can you please elaborate upon your claim that Atheism is everywhere in politics?
I am really looking forward to knowing who all of the athiest lawmakers and other elected officals are in the country.
Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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Omnivorous
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Message 93 of 108 (342618)
08-23-2006 12:45 AM
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08-23-2006 12:23 AM


Re: Why not?
You know, Schraf, the way nemesis can't stop talking about atheism-- he sees it everywhere, the way some guys who drive big trucks, love tools and wear lots of keys can't stop thinking about queers--I think he might, you know, secretly, in his heart, so to speak, possibly harbor...
Doubt.

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ohnhai
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Message 94 of 108 (342681)
08-23-2006 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by crashfrog
08-21-2006 12:08 PM


Re: Why not?
Oh I don’t know.
Give me fresh pork and apple sausages, grilled to an even deep brown, two rounds of chunky fried bread, grilled beef tomatos & open field mushrooms, baked beans and cap it all fresh home made black pudding from the same pig the sausages came from. (oh man, I have not had a decent black pudding in years)
Or.
Pan fried fillet of Yellow Tail King Fish on a shaped bed of seasoned basmati rice with a pan fired (in a light dry wine) side of thinly sliced Zuchini, carrot, spring onion, button mushrooms and crushed walnuts, all drizzled with a smattering of hoi-sin sauce.
yum.

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kuresu
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Message 95 of 108 (342760)
08-23-2006 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by ohnhai
08-23-2006 8:04 AM


Re: Why not?
why is it that you prisoners have to have good food?
abe: and that we get crap?
(except the black pudding--if it's what I think it is, it's really similar to blood pudding (swedish name, translated to english)
Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.

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Larni
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Message 96 of 108 (342900)
08-24-2006 3:49 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by kuresu
08-22-2006 10:28 PM


Re: Why not?
kuresu writes:
how can a penal code have punishments if it's based off of the commandments--does it ever label a single punishment for breaking the code?
I bet they were all along the lines of being put to death.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 97 of 108 (342916)
08-24-2006 7:04 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by CK
08-19-2006 12:31 PM


Re: Atheism and freedom of speech
I saw something interesting in the BBC a while back. I wish I could provide a link; I will if I can. I'd like your take on this.
The author was talking about the different expectations in the UK and USA when it comes to politicians expressing religious beliefs. Voters in the UK want politicians to keep it private, as you indicate, while American voters like to hear what God has done in a politician's life. The irony? The UK actually has a state religion, while the USA has a constitutional separation of church and state.
The author suggested this is more than irony. It is because the UK has a state religion that voters like politicians to be religiously neutral. And it is because the American system is religiously neutral that voters like politicians to affirm the value of religion.

Archer

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 98 of 108 (342917)
08-24-2006 7:13 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by kuresu
08-22-2006 10:28 PM


Re: Why not?
kuresu writes:
how can a penal code have punishments
That reminds me of something I've always wondered.
If rice grows on a rice farm and strawberries grow on a strawberry farm, what grows on a penal farm?

Archer

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PurpleYouko
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Message 99 of 108 (342968)
08-24-2006 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by ohnhai
08-23-2006 8:04 AM


Re: Why not?
Stop it! You're making me hungry and its hours till lunch time

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MangyTiger
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Message 100 of 108 (343156)
08-24-2006 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Archer Opteryx
08-24-2006 7:04 AM


Re: Atheism and freedom of speech
I don't think it's related to the fact we have an established religion while the US has a separation of church and state, at least not directly.
It is more a reflection of the differences between the two societies.
As has been discussed earlier in this thread, by and large religion is regarded as a private matter in England (it can be different elsewhere in the UK but England makes up the vast majority of the population). I don't know that anyone really knows why - perhaps it is because of the long and bloody history of religious conflict in this country. Of course that conflict was between the Catholic and Protestant faiths and has its roots with the creation of the Church Of England by Henry VIII, so that gives you an indirect relation to the established church vs. separation idea.
It's also the case in my experience that not only are we more private about religion we are, by and large, nowhere near as religious as the Americans. The percentage of the population that are active, regular church goers is much lower here than in the US and we also have far fewer fundamentalists.

Oops! Wrong Planet

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robinrohan
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Message 101 of 108 (343162)
08-24-2006 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by MangyTiger
08-24-2006 10:25 PM


Re: Atheism and freedom of speech
As has been discussed earlier in this thread, by and large religion is regarded as a private matter in England (it can be different elsewhere in the UK but England makes up the vast majority of the population).
Maybe the crowd I've run with in my life is not typical, but the experiences I've had in the states do not involve talking about religious beliefs at your basic cocktail party.
Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

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kuresu
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From: boulder, colorado
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Message 102 of 108 (343192)
08-25-2006 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by robinrohan
08-24-2006 11:24 PM


Re: Atheism and freedom of speech
right. those are for bragging about your child's success, you're success, or for finding out how others are doing.
now, walk into a debate, or a bar, and it'll be different.
Or, you basic, everyday campaign. (not to be confused with the champagne of above party )

All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences

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robinrohan
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Message 103 of 108 (343198)
08-25-2006 1:55 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by kuresu
08-25-2006 1:41 AM


Re: Atheism and freedom of speech
now, walk into a debate, or a bar, and it'll be different.
They don't talk about religion in any bar I've been in.
And I've been in a lot of them.

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kuresu
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From: boulder, colorado
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Message 104 of 108 (343200)
08-25-2006 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by robinrohan
08-25-2006 1:55 AM


Re: Atheism and freedom of speech
get someone drunk enough--one of those who blabber when drunk.
please note, my only experience is by knowing how drunks act, having never really been to a bar before, but the atmosphere there is sure to be different from the polite, (in)formal one of a cocktail party.

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anglagard
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Message 105 of 108 (343202)
08-25-2006 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by robinrohan
08-25-2006 1:55 AM


Re: Atheism and freedom of speech
They don't talk about religion in any bar I've been in.
Evidently, you have never been to the Capitol Bar in Socorro, NM as everything under the sun is open to discussion. Unfortunatly, grad-level physics classes are no longer taught there as in the old days. Personally, I blame the bad side of political correctness.

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