Is there really such a thing as a beneficial mutation?

What about all of the examples given that DONT pit disease against disease?What about Hemoglobin C?There have been others upthread. What about those? You seem to be so focused on the SCD vs malaria example.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

When all else fails, simply declare your position to be "obviously" true and abandon any and all rational discussion on the issue.Build a misrepresentation of sedimentology and call it "obviously" absurd to occur over millions of years.Build a misrepresentation of mutation and call it "obviously" impossible to drive evolution.As long as this is your mode of discussion Faith, how do you expect anybody to take you seriously. The thigns you think are "obvious" first, are not based on a complete understanding of the mechanisms and second, are not "obvious" to anyone else but you. I would replace dispar with pity. I don't think anyone here likes to see ignorance.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Just because you don't like someone pointing out where you are basing your discussion on ignorance all of a sudden becomes abusive?I am not calling you supid. I am pointing out that your position is based on ignorance.You are also dodging all of the good examples that claimed you wanted to discuss. How many times has schraf or someone else asked you about the CCR5 gene? How many times has the Hemo C mutation been brought up. Or all the examples in crashfrogs post awhile back?What is wrong with these examples? Why are they not good enough for you? You can't just run in here and say that they are "obviously" not good enough and expect your position to be respected at all.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

So has Aegist among others.Others such as myself, crashfrog, and Aegist have also given more examples than CCR5.The example that seems to permeate this discussion based on SCD is also no longer an issue when concerning Hemoglobin C. That is the one I brought up because of your specific complaint of pitting "disease against disease". The only negative effect of Hemo C is slight anemia and it is a novel allele. It meets all your critera for a beneficial mutation. It is something that was not part of the previous genetic potential. It does not confer a disease. It provides a substantial benefit to those that have it.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

So the piddly examples and the stuff that upset you gives you motive to completely ignore all the good stuff that was posted on this thread?I guess I just don't understand why? How is this NOT an excuse to dodge?

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

It just seems like you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater as an excuse not to deal with some real examples.I personally think that the wisdom teeth example is a bad example. There are better ones upthread that are great fodder for discussion.Crash's discussion is simply stating the obvious tenent of the ToE. There should be nothing suprising about that. Yes it was a catchall but that should not distract from the very good specific examples that were presented. You are not required to respond to things you feel are unfair or where you feel "definitionally eliminated". You asked about beneficial mutations, canidates for beneficial mutations have been presented, you have chosen to focus on the other issues that you are now proclaiming to detest.There are real good examples of exactly what you wanted sitting upthread. It very much seems like all this posturing is just an excuse to not to have to deal with those.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)