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jar
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Message 31 of 178 (340788)
08-17-2006 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by ringo
08-17-2006 2:57 AM


Buz writes:
Escatology is a science. You need to do the homework....
Scatology is a science and certainly seems like what is being practiced in most of the prophecy threads.
EsCHatology is NOT a science by any means. It is the study of End-Times theories however it is closer to history or philosophy than to science.

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Message 32 of 178 (341462)
08-19-2006 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by MangyTiger
08-16-2006 11:21 PM


MT writes:
Well if you consider that since Israel was established it has been an ally or client state of the US (or vice versa some might say) and the USSR and the US were engaged in the Cold War this isn't in the least surprising. The enemies of Israel at the time (Egypt, Syria, Lybia et al) were clients of the USSR. It was just a function of the superpower politics of the post-WW II era.
The bottom line is that some 2500 years ago it was prophesied to be so way out in the future end times and for the first time in history it's being observed.
It was Russian built anti-tank sophisticated missiles which were supplied to nations friendly to Hezbollah and used by Hezbollah to surprise the Israeli army with alarming loss of their tanks in this war. It's business as usual with the terrorists using Russian arms just as they have for decades and wars past. {abe:Long range) missles are also being supplied by Russia. Russia consistently votes against Israel along with Islamic nations.
MT writes:
Ok so how is the Red Army going to get to Israel buz? A quick glance at a map suggests they will have to go through Turkey and/or Iraq. Turkey is a member of NATO - after 9/11 the members of NATO affirmed that an attack on one of them would be considered an attack on all. So before they get anywhere near Israel they are in a shooting war with the US and the rest of the NATO countries. If they manage to avoid that that do you really think the US is going to let them roll through Iraq after all the pain you've gone through to get your military established there?
1. We're establishing a Shehite regime in Iraq, whether we admit it or not. Hezbollah is the underlying fundamentalism of Sheih which will eventually prevail as it has in other nations like Iran.
2. As I understand the prophecies, Turkey (Islamic majority) will eventually be among the participants against Israel. The nations to the north of Israel are all implicated. Give it some time. We see it all emerging and Armageddon is a ways out yonder yet, but clearly emerging as prophesied. The Lebanese conflict now on going is a major development in this fulfillment of prophecy, for it is one of the things which is a MUST for fulfillment.
MT writes:
Of course Russia could just nuke the place off the face of the planet (it is one of only about three countries with a bigger nuclear arsenal than Israel and - maybe - the means to deliver them after all) - but does anybody see that as a realistic possibility?
Several prophecies do sound very nuclear. That would be for another topic, but yes, very realistically possible and very likely.
MT writes:
Russia has moved on. It's interests now are in joining the WTO and building itself back into a global power ecomically using the huge natural resources (especially gas) it has. Maybe once they've done this and/or Putin dies or is replaced things will change - but I see no reason to think getting involved in an invasion of Israel would be in their plans.
Russia and Israel have always been at odds. Israel is the only real nation relatively near to Russia which thwarts their ambitions. Islam is becoming a significant factor in Russian affairs with significant influence and power. This will increase as it will worldwide.
MT writes:
Actually I've just thought about this. In the modern world why would anybody except the surrounding Arab states have the slightest interest in invading Isreal? There's no sensible reason at all for any non-Middle East State to do it, quite apart from the logistical difficulties in getting there.
It's the oil leverage which major Islamic nations enjoy and the wealth which they are ammasing via it. Why, for example does the US cowtow to one of the most brutal imperialistic Islamic nations, i.e. Saudi Arabia? If it weren't for the oil, we'd be demanding some human rights there also, but we've allowed our radicals here to ban production of our own vast energy sources so we're subject to blackmail by these Islamic nations.
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Message 33 of 178 (341467)
08-19-2006 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by jar
08-17-2006 10:55 AM


Whatever

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ringo
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Message 34 of 178 (341475)
08-19-2006 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Buzsaw
08-19-2006 6:15 PM


Buzsaw writes:
Israel is the only real nation relatively near to Russia which thwarts their ambitions.
Ever read Rudyard Kipling's Kim?
Takes place around 1900.
Seems the Russians were after India back then and the British were out to thwart them.
Old news.

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sidelined
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Message 35 of 178 (341477)
08-19-2006 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Buzsaw
08-16-2006 10:17 PM


And now for something completely different
Buzsaw
If you want to reject the fact that certain aspects of some prophecies have been fulfilled, that's your perrogative. I'm not going to waste my time arguing semantics with you on this.
Prophecies that have been fuliiled are debatable at best and piles of shit at worst. But what would be really , really, really significant would be if someone could take one of the prophecies and tell us exactly what and how something is going to occur before the fact rather than interpret the "prophecy" to fit after the fact.
Are you willing to do this or not buz? Is anyone you know willing to do this or not?
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jar
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Message 36 of 178 (341478)
08-19-2006 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
08-19-2006 6:21 PM


The point Buz
is that there is NO Science of EsCHatology. It is NOT a science by any means. It is the study of End-Times theories however it is closer to history or philosophy than to science, closer to science fiction than anything else.
The whole end times stuff is built on nothing but a base of soggy paper and fantasy. Russia is NOT mentioned in any prophecy, has no plans to invade Israel, is a supporter of Israel, does business with Israel, and was in NO WAY a supplier of Hezbollah. To say that Russia was involved just because some Russian Anti-Tank missles were used (which by the way Israel should have expected and was probably the biggest embarassment of the conflict as far as the Military was concerned) would also indict the US since some Hezbollah fighters use AR-16s and some of the drones they used were of US design.
The beauty of End Time Prophecy is that it is so vague that folk can make it mean anything. That is also the threat.

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MangyTiger
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Message 37 of 178 (341528)
08-19-2006 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Buzsaw
08-19-2006 6:15 PM


It was Russian built anti-tank sophisticated missiles which were supplied to nations friendly to Hezbollah and used by Hezbollah to surprise the Israeli army with alarming loss of their tanks in this war.
This may well be true - although according to Haaretz Russia denies it and Israel has so far failed to back up the claims.
Even if it's true, so what? Arms sales is a very lucrative business and Russia wants a share of the pie just like the US, France, Britain and sundry other countries.
It was American designed and/or built planes sold to Israel that wreaked such havoc on the Lebanese infrastructure and killed so many innocent civilians. Does this indicate the US is anti-Lebanon or anti-Arab?
Not to mention that the US has directly armed terrorist and resistance groups around the world for decades.
Russia and Israel have always been at odds.
Actually I think you'll find it can't have been for longer than about 60 years. I'd also argue most of that is due to Israel being America's proxy in the Middle East during the Cold War period.
Israel is the only real nation relatively near to Russia which thwarts their ambitions.
Well apart from China. Oh and Japan. And Germany. And France. And Turkey. And what's that little country just across the Bering Straits from Russia - oh yeah, the United States.
Could you please explain in what way Israel "thwarts their ambitions"?
Islam is becoming a significant factor in Russian affairs with significant influence and power. This will increase as it will worldwide.
A significant factor sure - the problems in Chechnya and the surrounding area are a significant issue for the Russians. In what way though does Islam have significant influence and power in Russia?
MT writes:
Actually I've just thought about this. In the modern world why would anybody except the surrounding Arab states have the slightest interest in invading Isreal? There's no sensible reason at all for any non-Middle East State to do it, quite apart from the logistical difficulties in getting there.
It's the oil leverage which major Islamic nations enjoy and the wealth which they are ammasing via it.
Are you seriously suggesting that non-Middle Eastern states are going to invade Israel to stay on the right side of the oil producing Arab states? If you are then you need to check out the people preparing your food and drink - 'cos I think they're slipping you LSD!
Why, for example does the US cowtow to one of the most brutal imperialistic Islamic nations, i.e. Saudi Arabia?
Brutal - undoubtedly. Islamic - even more undoubtedly. Imperialistic - I'm calling BS on that claim buz. Please provide some instances of Saudi Arabia being imperialistic.
If it weren't for the oil, we'd be demanding some human rights there also
No you wouldn't. You'd be completely ignoring them like you did with Afghanistan before 9/11 and like you still do with places like Zimbabwe. Countries that are poor, far away and have dark skinned populations don't feature on America's radar.

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Message 38 of 178 (342199)
08-21-2006 11:50 PM
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08-19-2006 6:53 PM


Re: And now for something completely different
Hi Sidelined. I've (abe: proposed) another thread to accomodate your request as it would be too off topic for this one.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.
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Message 39 of 178 (342244)
08-22-2006 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by RickJB
08-05-2006 8:58 AM


RickJB writes:
Good grief.
buzz writes:
4. Are there any prophecies here or elsewhere that contradict what has been and is being observed in both history and current events.
Yes. My prophecy that the alien overlord Sath-Erg-Kevin will come very soon to transport my eternal alien soul to the distant planet Bob. No others will be saved. Just me. Everyone else is condemned to oblivion, which will come in the form of Sath's laser fusion-bombs.
I hereby make the prophesy that Lebanon will be repeatedly invaded by Israel throughout the twenty first century.

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Message 40 of 178 (342897)
08-24-2006 2:20 AM
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08-22-2006 3:21 AM


Birth of a prophet
I hereby make the prophesy that Lebanon will be repeatedly invaded by Israel throughout the twenty first century.
Careful, Mick, you might develop a following.

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Message 41 of 178 (343157)
08-24-2006 10:31 PM
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08-19-2006 9:25 PM


Good One
MT Quote:
No you wouldn't. You'd be completely ignoring them like you did with Afghanistan before 9/11 and like you still do with places like Zimbabwe. Countries that are poor, far away and have dark skinned populations don't feature on America's radar.
They don't feature on our radar because they have nothing to offer us, or because they are dark skinned? Besides, tell your UK government to get off its ass and do something about it since the US "fails" to fit the bill.

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Nimrod
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Message 42 of 178 (343174)
08-25-2006 12:26 AM


Racial obsession...in ignorance.
The Canaanites (called Phoenicians)spread throught North Africa , Europe, and the America's would eventually convert to Judaism (H.G. Wells even mentions this in his history book, well he doesnt mention the cross world travels but does mention Carthage and such springing up into large Jewish communities).So you have "Jews" that are ethnic Canaanite, and even the Palestinian Jews would be made up of many Canaanite converts.
Many Christians were Jewish converts including (gasp)the New Testament characters including the Lords relatives.
You have Palestinians that are Christians (and later converts to Islam) who are ethnic Jews.
Yemen (South Arabia) was mostly (or very large) Jewish till they converted to Islam, so you have Arab Muslims who are biological Jews.
These Arabs,desendent of Judah (in part), later spread to Palestine and the rest of Syria including Lebanon.Mixed in with "Palestinians", who again were "gentiles" but of Jewish descent.
Lebanese are descendent of ethnic Jews, Sidonians ,etc.
"Jews" are mostly descendent of a few tribes (Simeon, Benjamin , Levi, Judah) and gentile Samaritans.Plus Romans, Greeks, and much modern Diasopora European blood like German,Polish, Russian,etc.
There isnt a single New Testament prophecy related to any human beings (at least not before the final chapters of Revelation regarding the eternity),much less Jews, returning to Palestine.Because they were already there.in the first century AD, Jews were expected to convert to Christianity and all future prophecies (which are vague,general, and highly symbolic not to mention the fact that most,if not all, already happened back in the 1st or 2nd century) related to the Bible believers (the WHOLE Bible which means Christians).This racial obsession with "Jews" returning to Palestine may SEEM like some huge sacred issue that trumps all other "Christian issues".However.it is a modern western Christian invention.
Honestly, the descendents of Judah were already in Palestine by 1900 AD.They were Palestinians: Muslims, Jews, and Christian.Prhaps even the "Israelite" Samaritans even had a little Jewish blood in them.
I dont really care.
Race became an obsolete issue after Christ died on the cross.I think it already was before.I mean honestly,it is obvious the "12 tribes" were heavily gentile.By Christs time only the tribes Levi, Benjamin, and Judah were mentioned frequently because they were honestly (about)all that was left.The 8 Northern tribes were clearly viewed as gentile and they frankly were.The Old Testament described them as gentile implants. The New Testament broadly described them as "Samaritans" almost 100% of the time.Only once was an Israelite specifically labeled as a member of one of the obsolete Northern tribe (Asher), and that maye have simply ment a resident of the land of Asher, not a biological descendent of Asher.Asher was a large land in the north-west, so maybe gentile residents (Samaritan or Canaanite)would be called children of Asher or such.Ben-Asher.
Most prophecies in the Old Testament were fulfilled when Cyrus returned the large body of Jews (southern kingdom Jews though Im sure thy mixed in with the displaced Northern tribes in Mesopotamia,not to mention many babylonian gentiles)back in around 539 BCE.
Most Christians listen to many modern day leaders who use those types of verses as somehow relating to TODAYS times.
It is true,however, that some (very very little, much less than most Christians would imagine, when compared to what is commonly taught by Hal Lindsey types) prophecies may relate to a time in the future.But if Jews returing to Palestine AFTER Christs time was such a burning "Orthadox" issue, then why is the New testament silent on the issue? HMM?
Christian exegesis clearly shows that any future prophecies yet to happen (much less than most Christians think, most prophecies already happened) were directed at Bible followers which happened to be Christians.Not to "replace" Jew's (refering to the old cannard that anybody who believes such is "replacing Jews with the church")infact many Jews became Christians.
When Moses came around and wrote the law, he didnt "replace" Noah or take anything from him.He simply offered revelation that progressively was presented.David and Solomon didnt replace Moses. The books of Kings didnt displace anybody who followed the Law (I think the law was presented around 1500BCE not around the Exile or Josiah).The Jews (or Israelites) kept on recieving the revelation.
Christ and his revelation didnt replace anything or anybody.Everybody was free to continue the religion and worship of YHWH which extended itself from Genesis1:1 to Revelation 22 after the progressive revelation.
There is no replacment theology.Just progressive revealing of Gods program.If you add another room to your, house then nothing is replaced.The same people keep on livng in the house.The SAME Jews kept on following God only it included Matthew-Revelation (or a few books less in Syriac churches)plus the gentiles Christian converts they mixed in with.
Prophecies (I hate even mentioning them sice so much that is described as "prophecy yet to happen" already happened, I feel like a scam artist even saying "prophecy" these days)that havnt happened relate to Christians.The 12 tribes became Christians.Some didnt. Many Israelites rejected the faith in 1500 BCE, 1000BCE, 500 BCE but those that accepted the revelation (past,present, and progressive) kept on going.Same in c.33 AD.
ALL Biblical prophecies related the the believing community (the tribes in O.T.&N.T. times,or the "church" in post christ times)relate to Christians.
That is the long held conclusion of standard exegesis.Infact there was no debate.
Questions.
Those who hold these new modern views about one race having rights over another in Palestine should accept the burden of proof. Present DNA evidence that proves who is a member of what race.It must be doen on every individual Jew and Palestinian (or in the case of deciding which race to side with in Israeli-Lebanese wars,on each Jew and each Lebanese).
Also, Deuteronomy 23 (and the rest of the Bible) says that ethnicity is passed on through the father line and an Israelite that has a gentile father isnt an Israelite.We all know that many Jews are only Jews on their mothers side, and even if they have a father that is a Jew by modern standards, the fathers wouldnt dont fit the Deuteronomy 23 standard.
Modern American Christians who promost this racial theology MUST respond to that.
They must explain what (racial test)constitutes an Israelite worthy of specific racial rights over certain other peoples.
They must explain why the New Testament said NOTHING about Jews returning to the land and having rights over those Christians and Muslims already living there.Romans 10:11 and Galatians 2:28 infact seemed to imply that there is no difference in rights between Jews and gentiles.And the gentiles used as an example included an ethnicity(Greek) that would include many Palestinians then and in 1948.
Why did Christ seem to indicate that violence, corruption, and especially starvation was the biggest issue for a Christian(and Christians) to tackle yet modern Christians seem to feel that picking a favorite race in Palestine (an issue absent in the New Testament) is the burning issue of our day?
These need to be anwsered.

  
Nimrod
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Message 43 of 178 (343459)
08-25-2006 11:17 PM


Reading some more.
Man.
All this anti-Arab and anti-Palestinian propaganda Im reading here sounds just like ABC, NBC, CBS, NY Times, Washington Post , Fox, etc.
Yea,yea. Those "hateful" Palestinians.640,000 of the 800,000 were expelled (at gunpoint)and the ones who fled their homes outside of Israel werent allowed to return.60 years later,we have a languishing refugee crisis that should have ended about 59-60 years ago.Millions of Palestinians are rotting in camps (some who have visited them say that it smells like the children born in them havnt had a bath their entire life),since the nations they fled into were so small that palestinians make up nearly half the total population (Jordan,Lebanon, etc.).The United States has the biggest and most powerful military in the world by multitudes, and the most interventionist and agressive foreign policy that dictates the policies of the entire world.It also happens to have the most "Christians" who are VERY politically active(to understate it).Amazing that we have allowed and infact instigated the most disgusting refugee crisis the world has ever seen.Palestine was 30% Christian, now its less than 5% Christian.
Wow, those "hateful" Palestinians.They just want to return to their homes (or the right of return at least) but that makes them "hateful".REALITY check.Rabins daughter admitted(a few weeks ago)that the 2 state solution was cooked up to "ensure the integrety of the Jewish state".Anotherwords, keep Israel majority Jewish and keep the other peoples out and away from us.
First of all, some "democracy" (cleanse the land of votes that may not fit the views of your own).
2nd of all,Im sure we will hear the elite media repeat for the 2 trillionth time some war comment by an Arab saying "drive the Jews into the sea" which is the most out of context quote the world has been forced to hear endlessly in any of our lifetimes.How about driving Palestinians back into their stolen houses and land? And 93% of it was owned and used (contrary to the "empty wasteland before 1948" propaganda often repeated).How about the immigrants (mostly Jews)living in peace with their Christian and Muslim cousins and finding land in Jordan,Sinai, or Syria, that isnt occupied instead of stealing others land?
3rd of all.What good is it to have such a powerful "Christian" nation that isnt intereted at all in promoting peace and justice,even when the victims are Christians? Cleansing the Holy Land of Christians (most descendent of Jews, I have Palestinian friends who too DNA tests at univesities who have DNA identicle to Middle Eastern Jews)is somehow a positive fulfilling of prophecy? Better read your Bible again.or read it for the first time and turn the bigots like Lindsey off.
4th of all.I can think of about 1 trillion canards that we all have heard endlessly.1 that comes to mind is the excuse that it is the Arab nations fault for the refugee camps.Yea right.A refugee crisis that could have been solved in a single year,yet goes on for 60 years, yet somebody should have seen the lifelong situation it coming.Besides,what could nations, that have a per capita income of about $1500(Jordan) to $3000(Lebanon) a year, have done with a population nearly equal to their total numbers.Here in the USA, we get a million (or so) immigrants per year in a nation 300 times the size of its newcomers,with an average income of nearly $100,000 per year, yet we have spasims that could shake the universe at such "an immigration load" every other minute.
That aside.
Anywy,I forgot to mention that the MAJOR thrust of the prophecy "experts" of modern western Christianity is that Arabs are the major enemy of Israel and that it "fulfills prophecy".
Please show me in the Bible where Ishmael is described as some MAJOR enemy of Israel in ANY prophecy.
We all know that wherever Arabs have spread, Islam has followed.The most devout Muslims in non-Arabian lands (like Syria,Lebanon,etc.) were always Arabs in the early days.We know Arabs planted Islam.We all agree there.
Back to the "racial" test issue.
Is Biblical prophecy that is related to modern day based on geography or bloodlines? Its true that the modern western Christian prophecy "experts" will tell us that it is ethnic descent but that creates a problem.Lebanon, I would say, is now less than 50% Canaanite blood (and really could be much less)when the prophecies were made.There are about 4 million modern lebanese (inclusing about 1 million Palestinian refugees which arent Lebanese)in Lebanon but OUTSIDE of Lebanon there are about 20 million Lebanese living in foreign lands.
What is the significane of the vast majority of Lebanese out side of Lebanon.How does prophecy "fulfill" itself with the genuine bulk of the peoples that the Bible is accused of making post 1900AD predictions about?
Assyrians were all killed by Turkey (2/3rds, and no outrage by the USA religious right infact I never heard a peep from Hal Lindsey types), left for foreign lands (Mexico,Usa,Europe, etc.), or are a tiny minority spread out in several Muslim countries near ancient Assyria.They are also the least likley to suppor their Muslim governments but they ar eso small that is really doesnt matter.
What says the "prophecy experts" about the prophecies related to Assyria in 2000 AD? Or any century near it?
As for Syrians, or Arameans.
They have mixed in with Jews quite heavily.Even the U.S. Supreme Court (about 100 years ago) decided that Syrians, unlike Turks and Arabs, could immigrate to the U.S. (only "whites" were allowed to immigrate to the U.S.A. till fairly recently).Because the Supreme Court decided that they had as much native Syrian and Jewish blood each than Arab blood.
I have a Syrian (ethnicity) friend who is Christian who took a DNA test and the results showed she was essentially the same as somebody Jewish in ethnicity.
O well.
So much for the new "Orthadoxy" od odern Western "Christianity".
At least we know which Christians of TODAY would be persecuting and expelling Jews of yestercentury.Jews were the great Satan in European Christian lands according to powerful Christian leaders then.The EXACT SAME type of Christians today now yet again believe their bigoted leaders demonization of certain "evil peoples" who dont belong among the others.
Some Christians may ask themselves "would I have went along with the ethnic cleansing of Jews that Christian Europeans inflicted"? "Could I have seen through the hatred despite its genuine popularity and braod support"?
Well.
See how you handle the identicle and parallel situations today?
The issues arent oo different really.
Sames religions involved.(mostly Christians and Jews plus Muslims as well)
Same ethnicities involved (Semites and the "Christian" Indo-European power base)
Tables are turned in many ways though.
Similar inflictions.

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Message 44 of 178 (343506)
08-26-2006 4:35 AM
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08-25-2006 11:17 PM


Re: Reading some more.
All this anti-Arab and anti-Palestinian propaganda Im reading here sounds just like ABC, NBC, CBS, NY Times, Washington Post , Fox, etc.
Oh yea... I forgot about all those terrorists that are americans or brits, etc... Just all over the place, aren't they?
I don't believe anyone here thinks that the "majority" of middle easterners hate the west. There are plenty though. It's very obvious.

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Message 45 of 178 (344480)
08-28-2006 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by sidelined
08-19-2006 6:53 PM


Re: And now for something completely different
sidelined writes:
Prophecies that have been fuliiled are debatable at best and piles of shit at worst. But what would be really , really, really significant would be if someone could take one of the prophecies and tell us exactly what and how something is going to occur before the fact rather than interpret the "prophecy" to fit after the fact.Are you willing to do this or not buz? Is anyone you know willing to do this or not?
I'll take you on but on fair terms. 1) Prophecies fulfilled in the past cannot be so easily dismissed as you claim...put up or shut up.
Example. Tyre & Sidon...prophesied that multinational forces in two separate assaults would tear down Tyre and scrape it's foundations into the sea...done...the second assault by Alexander the Great who got so mad at their escape to the Island of Sidon that he took all the remains of the city and built a causeway out to Sidon and killed them all. Look it up and try to refute it.
Daniel 9. 69 sevens until Messiah the prince starting from the issuing of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. Artexerxes issued the decree, found by archeologists on a stone cylinder, and exactly to the day, 69 sevens of years later Jesus was proclaimed the Messiah on Palm Sunday in Jerusalem.
Daniel 2 & 11. The coming world kingdoms with the white stone cut without hands, the messiah, coming in the fourth. Babylon, Medio Persion, Alexander and Rome. Done
The fact is there are few prophecies left such as the conversion of the Jews, Romans 11 which has started recently, the second coming like a thief in the night and the rapture and judgment day.
The rest are fulfilled and you cannot successfully prove they arent. He who asserts must prove so the burden is on you buddy!

"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

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