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Author Topic:   True Freedom
ikabod
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Message 33 of 300 (343894)
08-27-2006 4:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by joshua221
08-26-2006 8:42 PM


i think freedom is one of those words our language has made to be a oppersite to how the natural world is .
like cold , we talk about cold as if its a quanity and how things get colder .. when if fact its heat engery we are talking about
the world imposes a wide range of constrains apon use , what we call freedom is a label for the amount of constraint we are experiencing ... there is no measure of freedom , no absolute point of max freedom , only a scale of constraint .
we are constrained
biologically by out bodies and whay we can get them to do ..
By our interlectual developement .. we cant all understand the great philosiphers , let alone try to use the imparted ideas
we sufffer cultural constraint in how we behave , and this even dircets our so called rebelions shape
economic constrains go with out saying
as do political ones
every time we "make our self free" we are trying to deal with a certain constraint , and every time our route is built apon and takes us to a nother set of constraints .
let us rebel vs the king and his nobles .. we can replace them with a elite of economic barons , or an elite of professional political power grabers , or an elite of militry strong men ....

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ikabod
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Message 48 of 300 (344173)
08-28-2006 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by kuresu
08-27-2006 3:30 PM


all hail the mighty Kuresu overlord of the universe
, btw as your here boss i have a list of faults that you need to fix , lets start with the a's and work our way through , there are only 23 pages of a's then we can move on to the b's , there is more of them .......
oh the freedom of power . . . . .

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ikabod
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Message 49 of 300 (344178)
08-28-2006 3:26 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Archer Opteryx
08-27-2006 11:36 PM


Re: influential philosophers
very nice poem , but i must say i do not agree with all its statement s , i think good and evil , in real sense are different , and many of the other are perceptions , not actuals ...
but i guess that would be very off topic so ill stop there

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ikabod
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Posts: 365
From: UK
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Message 94 of 300 (344663)
08-29-2006 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by joshua221
08-29-2006 9:37 AM


Re: Question to Evc
My philosophy teacher made a list of philosophical questions on the board. These "life" questions included who to vote for in an election, and which products to buy. They weren't about anything important.
so how do you plan to change a system you hate with out using the two main weapons you have ... the right to vote and consumer demand ...
well i guess you are lucky that you have the freedom to complain about the system without the responsibility of improving it . . . .

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ikabod
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Posts: 365
From: UK
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Message 174 of 300 (345711)
09-01-2006 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by CK
09-01-2006 4:39 AM


Re: Dear less advantaged men and women of this board.
They represent a innocence about the world that we all had but don't anymore and we find it funny because it reflects (for many of us) how we were at a similar age.
i find it sad , that is what is clearly a quite bright mind has not been able to see beyond the wish forfilling myths of freedom , phillosophy and the other mind games the "great thinker" play .
Its also sad that someone who has had so much " freedom " in his youth has not used a small part of it explored the reality of the world in which he lives .
clearly he has
1. never had to live with out money because he has none or no one to give him some
2. he has never had to work to 12 days to earn enough money for one poor meal
3.he has never hunted rubbish heaps for rags to wear .
4.he has never suffered alone
5.he demands of god his own vision and purpose , with no need to conform ore follow .
is all this ultra harsh ... i think not if one can spend time debating Kant or whoever is this weeks topics flavour , can spend time working out where best to move to to be a music super star , then one can look at the places in this world where it is ugly and mean and people struggle to survive with out the time to consider the bright shinning theroies on the purpose of life ..
who makes the greater contribution to your life ... the man who spend 30 years thinking about the purpose of life then writes a book that needs you to study the last 200 years of thought to be able to understand what it is trying to say ....or the man who comes around with a big truck and takes away your household rubish once a week . ?

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ikabod
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From: UK
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Message 210 of 300 (345974)
09-02-2006 6:04 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by kuresu
09-01-2006 12:39 PM


Re: Dear less advantaged men and women of this board.
oooh be carefull ... tis english and pragmatic ... never lump the welsh , scots and irish in the same bag ..
and it was good old fasion greed , exploitation , war mongering and being a bigger set of b**t**ds than any one else that built the Empire ... he jested not ...

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