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jar
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Message 16 of 307 (343736)
08-26-2006 6:35 PM
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08-26-2006 6:24 PM


Re: Which world is real?
When you look at the world of QM I have to believe that the next life will be a lot more real than this one.

'course I don't see any connection between QM and spirituality or afterlife.

Yeah, NT Wright is interesting. Some of his stuff I agree with, lots that I don't. He does seem to have an interesting take on Pauline theology.


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Message 17 of 307 (343742)
08-26-2006 7:05 PM
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Re: Which world is real?
jar writes:

'course I don't see any connection between QM and spirituality or afterlife.

I wasn't trying to make a direct conection. I'm just suggesting that with some physicists saying that time and space are illusions, with solid materials being something like 99.999999999999999999% empty space, and with suggestions that we are a projection I have to think that there is something unreal about where we are and that the next life is bound to be more real.

jar writes:

Yeah, NT Wright is interesting. Some of his stuff I agree with, lots that I don't. He does seem to have an interesting take on Pauline theology.

Does it necessarily follow that where you don't agree with him he is wrong? :)


Everybody is entitled to my opinion. :)

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jar
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Message 18 of 307 (343745)
08-26-2006 7:11 PM
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08-26-2006 7:05 PM


Re: Which world is real?
Does it necessarily follow that where you don't agree with him he is wrong?

Not really.

I wasn't trying to make a direct conection. I'm just suggesting that with some physicists saying that time and space are illusions, with solid materials being something like 99.999999999999999999% empty space, and with suggestions that we are a projection I have to think that there is something unreal about where we are and that the next life is bound to be more real.

Could be. I guess I just see that as pretty pointless stuff to worry about.


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Message 19 of 307 (343753)
08-26-2006 7:54 PM
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08-26-2006 6:06 PM


Maybe Ray you should start wearing a WWJS bracelet. (What Would Jesus Say?)

John 6:70, 71

"Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve."

Judas was an Apostle, and Jesus chose him knowing that he was a son of the devil from the beginning. This explains Jar's belief about himself ("I am a Christian").

When Christians and atheists agree on origins (betrayal) then one is not genuinely as such. Jar, and all TEists, are living proof that what is written in the Bible corresponds perfectly to reality in the 21st century.

We also know that the Bible records Christ's lineage from the "first man Adam". Imagine that, the TEist Savior was the product of ape sperm and accidential mutation "that did not have Him in mind".

Except for what I evidenced, Jar has no source for his "Christianity" or for any of his beliefs - entirely subjective. The source for Supernaturalism (Bible) does not support atheist naturalistic human evolution. One is totally correct and one is totally wrong. Since human evolution is assumed, and the evidence is scarce compared to the enormity of the claim, objective persons can safely conclude need usurps reality.

Ray


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Message 20 of 307 (343755)
08-26-2006 8:02 PM
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08-26-2006 7:54 PM


Fine. You disagree with his theology. How does that justify you making the statement that "you can have this freak".

I disagree with lots of people, (as do most others on this forum), without calling them a freak. I like to think that as Christians we're held to a much higher standing than that. Frankly I think that as human beings we're called to a higher standard than that.


Everybody is entitled to my opinion. :)

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Message 21 of 307 (343829)
08-27-2006 12:33 AM
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08-26-2006 8:02 PM


I disagree with lots of people, (as do most others on this forum), without calling them a freak. I like to think that as Christians we're held to a much higher standing than that. Frankly I think that as human beings we're called to a higher standard than that.

I don't know what kind of standards Christians are held to, but in my view Jar is no freak. His ideas are commonplace.


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Message 22 of 307 (344012)
08-27-2006 5:22 PM
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08-27-2006 12:33 AM


TEists/Jar belong to Satan
I don't know what kind of standards Christians are held to, but in my view Jar is no freak. His ideas are commonplace.

You are absolutely correct. Jar's ideas = the status quo. His beliefs and opinions are freak when compared next to the objective claims of the Bible.

IN, I repeat, IN the Bible the majority is always WRONG. This is a typological claim of truth. If the claim is true THEN we should be able to match majorities found IN the Bible with their counterparts in reality.

TEists/Jar are the majority, they oppose the Bible tooth and nail while claiming Christian status. We know real Christians do just the opposite, that is, defend the Bible tooth and nail. IN the Bible the Pharisees are the type of the religious establishment, and they opposed Christ tooth and nail.

In other words, we have a perfect match: TEist majority as best typified by Jar corresponds to theist Pharisee majority. Both are majorities and both oppose Christ while THINKING that they are for God.

We know Jesus is the ultimate Authority, and Jar claims to be His follower. Listen to Jesus's objective identification of the theist majority who THINK they are God's:

John 8:44 (Context: Jesus speaking to the Pharisees).

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Jesus identifies the majority as liars belonging to Satan. The Pharisees and TEists are a perfect match. Both oppose Christ (in the flesh, Pharisees) and in the Logos/written word (Bible, TEists deny Christological lineage from the first man Adam, and many other scriptural declarations in favor of atheist nonsense).

How do we explain Pharisees/TEists/Jar's beliefs about themselves, that is, belonging to God ?

Since Jesus objectively identified the same as belonging to the devil, their belief about themselves, is explained as being massively deceived, which is an indigenous trait of Satan as revealed through-out the Scriptures.

In this precise context:

Dr. Gene Scott: "The essence of being deceived is that you think that you are all right with God [long pause] but you're not."

Both majorities think they represent God. The theist majority IN the Bible corresponds to a theist majority in reality, both are shown to belong to Satan while thinking that they belong to God. Typological claim of truth is sustained.

Ray

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Message 23 of 307 (344024)
08-27-2006 6:13 PM


Since it looks like this is turning into a humor thread.
Check out this page

I guess AOHell doesn't work in Hades.


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Message 24 of 307 (344026)
08-27-2006 6:22 PM
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08-27-2006 5:22 PM


Re: TEists/Jar belong to Satan
It's a funny thing Ray but you know when I read your "freak" comment the first thing that occured to me was that Christians that take your position of extreme literalism are the modern equivalents of the NT Pharisees.

You are following along the exact same path that the Pharisees did 2000 years ago. You pour through scriptures, taking a literalist reading of them, and then claim that the important thing is about following the laws that you come up with which includes that everything in the Bible is to be read literally.

The Bible is to be read for the timeless spiritual truths that are found there. It is God's revelation to us and you minimalize its message by insisting that it is to be read literally instead of trying to comprehend the spiritual message that can be found in its many metaphors. It is a message of love not the condemnation that you are engaging in right now. Jesus said that everything hinges on love of God and love of neighbour. IMHO I'm not seeing either in your posts in this thread.

Greg


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Message 25 of 307 (344030)
08-27-2006 6:33 PM
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08-27-2006 6:13 PM


Re: Since it looks like this is turning into a humor thread.
I keep hearing this name - he was another of those Television scammers wasn't he?

Didn't he lose his FCC license because he was redirecting the cash (or something like that)?


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Message 26 of 307 (344031)
08-27-2006 6:36 PM
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Re: Since it looks like this is turning into a humor thread.
Well, Gene "Beam the money up" SCOTTie is DAID. But the corporation marches on.


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Message 27 of 307 (344032)
08-27-2006 6:57 PM
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08-27-2006 5:22 PM


Re: TEists/Jar belong to Satan
You are absolutely correct. Jar's ideas = the status quo. His beliefs and opinions are freak when compared next to the objective claims of the Bible.

wow ray good redefinition of objective; if you and others can't agree on what the bible says its not by nature objective. oh and your beliefs are no where near what the bible says eather, you are bogged down in legalism and forget the spirit of christ

TEists/Jar are the majority, they oppose the Bible tooth and nail while claiming Christian status. We know real Christians do just the opposite, that is, defend the Bible tooth and nail. IN the Bible the Pharisees are the type of the religious establishment, and they opposed Christ tooth and nail.

you don't know a damn thing about the pharisees. they opposed christ, because of the messiah claim that disrupted thier control and society. the jews wanted a messiah, but jesus really didn't fit, but most jews didn't care, legalism is a nasty thing

n other words, we have a perfect match: TEist majority as best typified by Jar corresponds to theist Pharisee majority. Both are majorities and both oppose Christ while THINKING that they are for God.

you only agree with the majority if they agree with you right?

We know Jesus is the ultimate Authority, and Jar claims to be His follower. Listen to Jesus's objective identification of the theist majority who THINK they are God's

and what do the pharisees have to do with jar or TEists? the pharisees's made up laws and split hairs to make peoples lives harder and yet didn't take the laws onto themselves, evidence jar or any TEist does this? otherwise this is a false claim and a sin of false witness

Jesus identifies the majority as liars belonging to Satan. The Pharisees and TEists are a perfect match. Both oppose Christ (in the flesh, Pharisees) and in the Logos/written word (Bible, TEists deny Christological lineage from the first man Adam, and many other scriptural declarations in favor of atheist nonsense).

evidence that TEists say this? they say god created life through evolution, they deny a LITERIAL genesis ray, they don't deny christ, the fact that the authors believed in the linage doesn't make it true.

How do we explain Pharisees/TEists/Jar's beliefs about themselves, that is, belonging to God ?

you are just making things up?

Both majorities think they represent God. The theist majority IN the Bible corresponds to a theist majority in reality, both are shown to belong to Satan while thinking that they belong to God. Typological claim of truth is sustained.

so.. following all of gods rules, faith in jesus as savior and messiah and his death wiping away sin doesn't equal a christian then?
you also have to believe in a literal genesis even though there is more evidence of evolution and none for a literal genesis, yot to be a christian in your mind you have to believe the bible and not your own eyes ray?
i mean you basicly are calling the god who created this world a lier if the earth conflicts with the bible, but of course the real creation that god created isn't importatant its the bloody book written long after the creation that was created by COMMITY and is claimed to be inspired by god thats right!

good lord Ray this is pure projection on your part, i think deep down your soul is maybe trying to tell you something

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Message 28 of 307 (344048)
08-27-2006 7:54 PM
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Re: Since it looks like this is turning into a humor thread.
I keep hearing this name - he was another of those Television scammers wasn't he?

Didn't he lose his FCC license because he was redirecting the cash (or something like that)?

Dr. Lloyd Jones: "Who is preaching the gospel ? Whoever is being slandered."

The Pharisees slandered Jesus. This puts Dr. Scott in good company with Christ.

Ray


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Message 29 of 307 (344055)
08-27-2006 8:22 PM
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Re: Since it looks like this is turning into a humor thread.
This just keeps getting funnier.

willowtree writes:

Dr. Lloyd Jones: "Who is preaching the gospel ? Whoever is being slandered."

Love Ray's logic. To see just how funny Ray can be, see Message 13.


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Message 30 of 307 (344070)
08-27-2006 9:36 PM
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quote:
With beliefs like these I am glad Jar is a Darwinist. You can have this freak.

I think jar would probably call himself a Neo-Darwinist, since he includes the field of Genetics in his understanding of the natural world.


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