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Buzsaw
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Message 8 of 21 (34470)
03-15-2003 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by pingu
03-09-2003 4:26 AM


The bible is a work of eloquent prose and impeccable spelling. Creationists read their bibles studiously, I presume. Why then can't they spell, or write in proper sentences?
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1. Was it not the ejucated Pharasees of Christ's day who observed his miracles, saw with their own eyes, Lazarus raised from the dead, witnessed the changing of the water to wine, disregarded the prophecies concerning the messiah and such who were not wise enough to understand that all this meant the Jesus was indeed the missiah they were all yearning for and expecting to some day appear??
2. Did not Jesus and the apostles, themselves who were for the most part common folk, uneducated in the rudiments of the elite ideology of the time who declared that the foolishness of the things from above were wiser than the so called wisdom this world had to offer?
2. As the Bible states, folks of the latter days will be "ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
3. Wisdom is that unique and wonderful ability of what to do with knowledge, and the more educated the world becomes, it seems, the worse off the world becomes and the further from truth we stray.

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Buzsaw
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Message 11 of 21 (34510)
03-16-2003 10:52 AM
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03-16-2003 3:15 AM


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What is your evidence that the world is worse off today, and that this is a result of an increase in education?
1. Students of science and physics are taught to regard uproven theory to be more beneficial than common sense and logic.
Logic and common sense says you can't have a decrease in entropy to the super magnitude the earth experiences and the other planets with nothing atol going on.
2. The more learned we get, the more social problems such as divorce, drugs, raising and educating children, crime, personal freedom, etc.
3. The medical field is a dandy example. After patients, like the woman in Jesus's day, have spent all their living with the doctors and are still sick, some of them wake up to the fact that wholistic healing which treats the body rather than the symptom is what makes them whole.
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What is the truth, and how do you know? What is your evidence that others who claim a different truth are wrong?
Truth is that which can proven to be factual. Ejukated soooooooophistikated schools of science and physics demand that the agenda be driven by unproven theories.
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Are education, knowledge and critical thinking not required in order to assess what is the truth?
Yes, indeed, so long as schools of thought maintain a substantial amount of reason and logic coupled with fact to balance this theormania mindset being brainwashed into their students these days.

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Buzsaw
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Message 14 of 21 (34528)
03-16-2003 6:54 PM
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03-16-2003 6:09 PM


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Could you give me other examples of science that defy logic and common sense? I realise there may be teachers and scientists who are illogical and have little common sense, but I'm referring to science as a field of study, ie. a methodology.
Evolution defies the logic and common sense that billions of thiss n thats don't assemble themselves into very complex things as we observe on earth by chance, no matter how much time you give it.
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Okay, this is one example but I dispute it. Firstly, I think you mean *increase* in entropy (disorder) - given that, why does this defy logic? Entropy increases in a closed system. The Earth is not closed - we have a gazillion megawatts of energy from the Sun streaming into the system every second of the day.
I believe you need to reread my statement. I said entropy decreases on earth while the other planets are doing nothing. If anything the other planets and the sun are increasing in entropy. Logic and sense says if the earth decreases, the others should likewise. They're all open systems, are they not?
What I'm saying is that everyting on earth came to be by a decrease in entropy (imo creative intelligence at work)
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Also, common sense and simple observation shows me that order does increase in localised areas: snowflakes form, embryos grow.
Did I say something to contradict that?
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Are you saying these phenomena are recent? Did we not have rampant crime 200 years ago? Child labour? Domestic violence? Bloody warmongering? Would my personal freedom as a young woman in the year 1000, 1500, or 1900 have been greater or lesser than it is today?
Have you checked out the rate of increase in crime over the last 50 years? I'm 67 and I know what's happening. On child labor, we've gone from that to the kids having all the idle time to run the streets and get into trouble. Child labor laws fixed that for the most part a long time ago. 50 and 60 years ago we as kids could get jobs to earn some money and learn skills and how to work with no fear of legal hassle. Nowadays everybody's afraid to hire a kid because of the minimum wage, legal law suits and government regs.
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Buzsaw
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Message 16 of 21 (34537)
03-16-2003 11:53 PM
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03-16-2003 9:20 PM


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Domestic violence? Bloody warmongering? Would my personal freedom as a young woman in the year 1000, 1500, or 1900 have been greater or lesser than it is today?
1. Far more domestic violence according to stats.
2. More frequency of wars today.
3. On women, imo, the question should be "are women more content/better off then than now? I think so, because they were for the most part keepers at home an happy without the pressures raising the children to be good citizens and to love and respect their parents in later life. As far as authority in the home, men were kinder to women than now, over all, respected and loved them more because women were more willing to leave the leadership role to the man so as not to have 2 presidents of equal authority. That wouldn't work in business, government, club or church and it doesn't work in the home. Also women were women, that is more feminine acting and loveable, imo.
My apologies, but not being retired and lots to do, my time responding is limited, but will do what I can. I hope you understand.
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