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Topic: True Freedom
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alacrity fitzhugh
Member (Idle past 4307 days) Posts: 194 Joined: 02-10-2004
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prophex writes: What does MOO mean?!?!?!? Saw it twice now. messenjah of one= moo
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alacrity fitzhugh
Member (Idle past 4307 days) Posts: 194 Joined: 02-10-2004
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welcome
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1423 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 199 of 300 (345868)
09-01-2006 9:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 187 by kuresu
09-01-2006 6:53 PM
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Re: more lyrics, more freedom
another take on freedom, ... my personal favorite is as sung by the goddess of gravel, janis the 'junked up' joplin:
Busted flat in baton rouge, waiting for a train
And i's feeling nearly as faded as my jeans.
Bobby thumbed a diesel down just before it rained,
It rode us all the way to new orleans. I pulled my harpoon out of my dirty red bandanna,
I was playing soft while bobby sang the blues.
Windshield wipers slapping time, I was holding bobby's hand in mine,
We sang every song that driver knew. Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose,
Nothing don't mean nothing honey if it ain't free, now now.
And feeling good was easy, lord, when he sang the blues,
You know feeling good was good enough for me,
Good enough for me and my bobby mcgee. From the kentucky coal mines to the california sun,
Hey, bobby shared the secrets of my soul.
Through all kinds of weather, through everything that we done,
Hey bobby baby kept me from the cold. One day up near salinas, lord, I let him slip away,
He's looking for that home and I hope he finds it,
But I'd trade all of my tomorrows for one single yesterday
To be holding bobby's body next to mine. Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose,
Nothing, that's all that bobby left me, yeah,
But feeling good was easy, lord, when he sang the blues,
Hey, feeling good was good enough for me, hmm hmm,
Good enough for me and my bobby mcgee. La la la, la la la la, la la la, la la la la
La la la la la bobby mcgee.
La la la la la, la la la la la
La la la la la, bobby mcgee, la. La la la, la la la la la la,
La la la la la la la la la, hey now bobby now bobby mcgee yeah.
Na na na na na na na na, na na na na na na na na na na na
Hey now bobby now, bobby mcgee, yeah. Lord, I'm calling my lover, calling my man,
I said I'm calling my lover just the best I can,
C'mon, where is bobby now, where is bobby mcgee, yeah,
Lordy lordy lordy lordy lordy lordy lordy lord
Hey, hey, hey, bobby mcgee, lord! Yeah! whew! Lordy lordy lordy lordy lordy lordy lordy lord
Hey, hey, hey, bobby mcgee. Saw her in concert, shortly before she lost everything.
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kuresu
Member (Idle past 2531 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: 03-24-2006
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Message 200 of 300 (345871)
09-01-2006 10:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 199 by RAZD
09-01-2006 9:57 PM
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Re: more lyrics, more freedom
cool. I've heard that song before, but I really don't remember how it goes.
All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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jar
Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 201 of 300 (345873)
09-01-2006 10:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 199 by RAZD
09-01-2006 9:57 PM
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Re: more lyrics, more freedom
Happen to be listening to Cheap Thrills right now. Got to see her on the other end, when she first had moved out west and at the festival in '67. If you need a philosopher I far prefer Hendrix, Joplin, Marley or Gutrie. Four Gentlemen and one Great, Great Broad.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Omnivorous
Member Posts: 3983 From: Adirondackia Joined: 07-21-2005 Member Rating: 7.0
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Message 202 of 300 (345878)
09-01-2006 10:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 201 by jar
09-01-2006 10:11 PM
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Re: more lyrics, more freedom
Richie Havens writes:
Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom!  Jar, I caught JJ midway between the festival and the end. She was just a wee bit--what a shock to hear that huge voice tearing itself out of her. I remember she wept when she sang.
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jar
Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: more lyrics, more freedom
Yeah, little thing 'till she opened up. Chubby little thing. But wow, what emotion.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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kuresu
Member (Idle past 2531 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: 03-24-2006
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Message 204 of 300 (345883)
09-01-2006 10:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 203 by jar
09-01-2006 10:27 PM
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Re: more lyrics, more freedom
wow. There are quite a few old people on this board. old enough to have seen Joplin in concert. and here I am just wishing I had been born about twenty years earlier to see zeppelin live. you guys could have actually been there.
All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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Archer Opteryx
Member (Idle past 3616 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: 08-16-2006
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Message 205 of 300 (345884)
09-01-2006 10:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 199 by RAZD
09-01-2006 9:57 PM
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Re: more lyrics, more freedom
RAZD, Your Joplin lyrics reminded me of a similarly ironic turn on the idea of freedom in a film. Are you familiar with Blue starring Juliette Binoche? It's part of a trilogy called Three Colors (Trois Couleurs) based on the colors of the French flag. The color blue represents Freedom. When you watch the film--and I highly recommend the experience to anyone who hasn't--you get the sense very early that freedom comes in a variety of forms. The English subtitled version of Bleu translates only the French dialogue. The choral music you hear all through the film, sung in Greek, is left untranslated. That's too bad, because many images in the film are drawn from this text, and the words are actually famous. If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels,
but do not have love,
I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge,
and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains,
but do not have love,
I am nothing.
If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast,
but do not have love,
I gain nothing. Love is patient; love is kind;
love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude.
It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;
it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth.
It bears all things, believes all things,
hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends.
But as for prophecies, they will come to an end;
as for tongues, they will cease;
as for knowledge, it will come to an end.
For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part;
but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. When I was a child, I spoke like a child,
I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child;
when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways.
For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face.
Now I know only in part;
then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three;
and the greatest of these is love. NRSV 1 Corinthians 13 Edited by Archer Opterix, : Typo.
Archer All species are transitional.
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Omnivorous
Member Posts: 3983 From: Adirondackia Joined: 07-21-2005 Member Rating: 7.0
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Message 206 of 300 (345888)
09-01-2006 10:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 204 by kuresu
09-01-2006 10:34 PM
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Re: more lyrics, more freedom
and here I am just wishing I had been born about twenty years earlier to see zeppelin live. Then you'd be old. LZ was better in the studio. The Who, however, were wildly better live than recorded. Same contrast between Doors and Hendrix: Doors sounded like a garage band live (not that there's anything wrong with that  ), while Hendrix was sublime.
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jar
Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: more lyrics, more freedom
Damn right. Who, Dead, Hendrix, Marley, Cream, BBB and BB in particular all should be seen live.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1423 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 208 of 300 (345891)
09-01-2006 10:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 204 by kuresu
09-01-2006 10:34 PM
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Re: more lyrics, more freedom
old? who's old? you're only as old as you think you are. the question is have you ever been experienced?
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Omnivorous
Member Posts: 3983 From: Adirondackia Joined: 07-21-2005 Member Rating: 7.0
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Message 209 of 300 (345895)
09-01-2006 11:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 181 by Trump won
09-01-2006 1:55 PM
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Re: In defense of Kantian ethics (response to Sartre's critique in Existentialism
Sartre does not realize that when one fights and kills other human beings for any reason, they are being treated as means. This decison could have been made a priori though obviously not fully a priori because aposteriori or imperical(experience) knowledge precedes a priori knowledge. Sartre harbored misunderstandings of the christian doctrine and of Kantian ethics itself, or at least the reality of war and the tragedy that it is BECAUSE men are not being treated as human beings but as means. Sarte was an extremely subtle thinker: what he had that you lack was a sense of the full weight of French history. Your understanding of Christian doctrine and Kantian ethics could theoretically surpass his, but I'll put my money on Sarte. It seems appropriate to me that song has become a large part of this thread. In light of that, here's a couple from Buffy Ste. Marie. She wrote Universal Soldier and rearranged The Partisan. As a Lakota, she has a unique perspective on both the horror of war and the necessary tragedy of self-defense.
UNIVERSAL SOLDIER Buffy Sainte-Marie © Caleb Music-ASCAP He's five feet two and he's six feet four He fights with missiles and with spears He's all of 31 and he's only 17 He's been a soldier for a thousand years He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an atheist, a Jain, a Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew and he knows he shouldn't kill and he knows he always will kill you for me my friend and me for you And he's fighting for Canada, he's fighting for France, he's fighting for the USA, and he's fighting for the Russians and he's fighting for Japan, and he thinks we'll put an end to war this way And he's fighting for Democracy and fighting for the Reds He says it's for the peace of all He's the one who must decide who's to live and who's to die and he never sees the writing on the walls But without him how would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau Without him Caesar would have stood alone He's the one who gives his body as a weapon to a war and without him all this killing can't go on He's the universal soldier and he really is to blame His orders come from far away no more They come from him, and you, and me and brothers can't you see this is not the way we put an end to war. Seems clear, eh? But...
The Partisan (by Anna Marly/Hy Zaret) (as arranged by Buffy Ste. Marie) (lone whistled intro) When they poured across the border I was cautioned to surrender, this I could not do; I took my gun and vanished. I have changed my name so often, I've lost my man and children but I have many friends. Some of them are with me now. An old woman gave us shelter, kept us hidden in the cellar, then the soldiers came; she died without a whisper, oh oh ohhhh. There were three of us this morning I'm the only one this evening but I must go on; the frontiers are my prison walls. Oh, the wind, the wind is blowing, through the graves the wind is blowing, freedom soon will come; then we'll come from the shadows. (whistle reprised, fade) Nothing is simple.
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ikabod
Member (Idle past 4511 days) Posts: 365 From: UK Joined: 03-13-2006
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Message 210 of 300 (345974)
09-02-2006 6:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 175 by kuresu
09-01-2006 12:39 PM
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Re: Dear less advantaged men and women of this board.
oooh be carefull ... tis english and pragmatic ... never lump the welsh , scots and irish in the same bag .. and it was good old fasion greed , exploitation , war mongering and being a bigger set of b**t**ds than any one else that built the Empire ... he jested not ...
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