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Author Topic:   Atheist and agnostic views on reincarnation and consciousness
CK
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Message 4 of 21 (345987)
09-02-2006 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Ben!
09-02-2006 1:50 AM


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Is it possible, then, that death is simply an instantaneous blip until we regain consciousness?
I don't really follow the leap you make here - why would we regain consciousness? The "other" you describe seems to be an entirely seperate entity - it seems unconnected to "I".
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We may lose our sense of "I" in the process, we may start again... but the only way time can pass is if we wake up again.
Time passes without an observer being needed or being present - all you are talking about is our measurement of it.
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CK
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Message 11 of 21 (346062)
09-02-2006 2:54 PM
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09-02-2006 1:43 PM


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Seems to me that a materialist who believes consciousness emerges from structure is stuck believing that consciousness is not tied to only one specific hardware.
Why?
Consciousness X arises or is "attached" to Structure X - how or why does it get to or is connected to structure Y? What's the mechanism for transfer?
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CK
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Message 14 of 21 (346069)
09-02-2006 3:40 PM
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09-02-2006 3:35 PM


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If you define consciousness functionally, then there's no limitation to the number of times the "same" consciousness arises or how many intances of the same thing you can have at once.
I'm getting confused now - how is something being "similar" the same as reincarnation which does involve (as I understand) it a unique "code" (for what of a better word) being transfered to a different system?
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is similar to
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but they are not the same thing.
So what are we discussing, "similar" or "the same"? because you seem to using them in an interchange fashion.
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CK
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Message 16 of 21 (346074)
09-02-2006 3:49 PM
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09-02-2006 3:43 PM


But the problem with that is even though at the broad level, consciousness is "similar" amongst people, surely 100s and 100s of environmental and genetic factors (such as your mother being a drugaddict) means that once you go beyond the surface similarities, there are millions and millions of differences? Plus of course, once you are born, environmental factors cause further divergence?
All you really seem to be saying is that the same variables will produce similar results - that seems a world away from any sense of reincarnation.

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