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Sarte was an extremely subtle thinker: what he had that you lack was a sense of the full weight of French history. Your understanding of Christian doctrine and Kantian ethics could theoretically surpass his, but I'll put my money on Sarte.

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I actually have a very good understanding of french history, I had the best french teacher in NY State, she won the John D. Rockefeller award for her observations made on french society. I took her comprehensive courses that focused on history(she was a history major) and I went up through french 4, which is considered good since it was the last year offered. I would have stayed at my high school instead of going to college early if she offered another course. She would've but the budget wouldn't allow for another french teacher. Admittedly, Sartre was french but his culture does not apply to his or my understanding's of Christian or Kantian doctrine.In this case however, One needs to critique the critique, not the person. If you find my critique lacking, if you have the intellectual capacity to build an argument for Sartre countering mine, please do.This talk of credentials and who you think is better is just that: talk.By the way(to keep in current line of discussion): I've met(10 minute discussion, the details of which may be to sacred for this board)hope to meet again, and have watched Pete Seeger perform live. I am going to see the Red Hot Chili Peppers, the band of John Frusciante, live in October. If I have my way I'll see Sufjan Stevens this month, the only musician I regret niver seeing live is probably Elliott Smith. But it is a great time, this time we're in now. Besides the decreased chances of defeating commercialism if I will attempt to ascend musically.

msg 178 is still there, if you don't feel comfortable answering it then don't respond to it.

Yes, your high school French teacher seems to have achieved something for herself, however full of yourself she left you.All the high school courses in the world do not equal the "full weight" of lived history, national or personal. You necessarily lack a full appreciation of any philosophy, no matter how many books you've read or courses you've attended, because you have only the lived history of a pampered schoolboy.From your perspective, this sounds like ageism and unfair dismissal; from my perspective, you are the latest instance of a familiar phenomenon. You'll probably outgrow it, though, once you realize that even a one-percenter can find hundreds of others in any medium-sized town.By the way, one capitalizes "French" but not "One"; nor does the apostrophe belong in your "understanding's," such as they are. Your inability to master English does not augur well for your French. After reviewing your post on Sartre's critique of Kantian ethics, I again see only bare assertion: critique requires analysis and demonstration. Perhaps you could clarify the substance of your critique? Did I mention credentials? When a person speaks foolishly, I don't need to review their credentials to determine that they are, in fact, foolish.Nonetheless, indeed--it is ALL talk here. Check back in 20 years, and we'll see what truths you have lived. So far you have shown only the bluster of callow youth in the early throes of intellectual awakening.Once upon a time, only peers and professors would witness this passage; the Internet allows you to share it with the world. Pity.

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I don't have much time to waste,How does my defense of Christian and Kantian doctrine not hold?I quote words of Christ for my defense of the christian doctrine and redefine part of the situation, his choice to go fight. Please respond to what I have written there, please.My critique it written well enough for a layperson like yourself to understand.Question is,
what exactly is untrue of my defense?Break it apart.I care not for this trivial chatter.I capitalized One for emphasis and I did not capitalize French for I felt it was not to be capitalized alongside Kantian and Christian. This comment does not matter however, and I should not offer a defense against such weak criticism.Edited by -messenjah of one, : typoEdited by -messenjah of one, : typo

Omnivorous: See what we go through?

Good post.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

I tend to miss that interaction those days, when I lecture, I tend to have 300 of them and the faces blur. However when I was an honest-to-god School teacher I used to see it all the time.Ah good times (well except for the riot control aspect of the job).Edited by CK, : No reason given.Edited by CK, : No reason given.

naw, man.ever hear dazed and confused live?
whole lotta love?
stairway?
heartbreaker?
no quarter?overall, zeppelin is to be experienced live--thank god I've got the live DVD set and How the West Was Won.studio just doesn't compare to their live stuff when they were on. when off (like when a concert was cancelled becasue Jimmy Page had had just a little bit too much crack--enough so that he couldn't play sitting or standing), better to have the studio around.

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All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences

CK wrote: I'm blessed to be working in Asia. College students don't suffer from narcissism here in the epidemic levels one sees elsewhere.
They can be very loyal to past instructors, though.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

what have I read of them?I have no clue what the titles were of the stuff I read in my philosophy class.I was more interested in what was in them, not thier titles. I've read at least on work by them, or perhaps more precisely, one excerpt from them. When you have 30ish weeks to cover all of philosophy, you don't read entire works.--only one was supposed to have been read, and only one or two of us actually read the entire thing--that was the ZatAoMM.anywho, read enough to understand where each was coming from--you'll have to catch me on this in about a year--I'm gunning for a triple major, history, international relations, philosophy.

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All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences

I've realized this is not the right place for the level of discussion I am bringing, noone here knows who Sartre is, let alone any philosopher.His words in On Genocide, the indictment of the Vietnam war by an independent council is another great read. edit: very hard to find.So I won't attempt to post anything at all again, this forum's foundation is built upon a subject too broad, breeds an environment lacking intellectuals.Edited by -messenjah of one, : No reason given.

I tend to find that Asian students are a) not very good on word limits and b) like essay and exam questions to have AN ANSWER.I'm constantly asked what THE ANSWER is to any type of question that I set (not that I do much of that, I'm pure research, I only teach a module a year to keep my hand in).

and from what I hear--a higher rate of suicide due to pressure to succeed.but it must be nice to be able to escape the narcissism. I think the reason it didn't hit me is that I'm a touch cynical, and more pragmatic.Better yet, I'm an idealistic pragmatist (and from now on, I will note the difference between the english and all those others who are a part of the british isles). I want to change the world, but I'm only going to try and change what is within my grasp--like making the switch from oil to hydrogen. And possibly getting my generation to start caring about some of the stuff going on. But it's not gonna happen overnight.actually, scratch that, and leave it me being an idealistic pragmatist that's cynical and skeptical. And no, I don't think I can explain my position.argh, never mind.

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All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences

I knew it. You haven't read "works". You've read excerpts from textbooks and you haven't had the initiative to learn more.If I had a year on you I might be more sympathetic to you but you have a year on me. What a tragedy.You have to keep going past "philosophy 101" or whatever.My voice is for you to read on your own, not just take whats being fed to you by your professors.What a tragedy. I knew I shouldn't have been entertaining you people.I'm out.

before you make that claim, that no one here knows who any of the philosophers are, you might want to check.Do I know who Satre is? yes. did I like his existensialism--as I recall--no.
I'm sure there are plenty of people here who know a thing or two about philosophy and philosophers.I think you're just upset that we don't see everything as clearly as you think you yourself sees (hey, that's a palindrome) things.To be honest, my area isn't in philosophy completely. It's in analyzing and critiqueing(that's spelled wrong) works. Whether or not there history documents or essays by philosophers to the classics in literature. I am a thinker, and pretty good one at that too. Especially by being able to turn 1984 from just being anti communist but to also being anti-utilitarian. Blowing my own horn here, but I don't think too many have seen how it can be both, and my english teacher was definetly a little surprised by my analysis. Does this place really lack intelectuals? No.
You've got razd (the zen deist?), you've got robin (the nihilist), you've got Brian (the historian), you've got others.
what is missing, is an intelectual that agrees with you other than prophex.

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All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences

you didn't have my philosophy class. I took it as a junior/senior (it was split so that the first semester of the class was the last half of my junior year).we went over the material, then spent the next class session getting into discussions over it. did you ever manage to make it so that the sophists were right, and aristotle wrong? Once a week we had a test, and on the day the test was, we had to turn in a paper regarding what we've learned, and what we thought.More than anything, the class was about learning to think. That's what philosophy is--not just learning about other's works. We covered every major topic in philosophy, and I've written a paper for each one. Over thirty papers total, often going to two full pages, sometimes three. never did I go below an A on my papers.Your philosophy class may have been rotten, mine wasn't, even if it was at seven in the morning.Here's what I say you should do--don't read the others. They aren't important. Learn to think you own thoughts, learn to think critically, learn to think analytically. Come up with your own damn position, not just a rip from someone else.
what's my position? As close as I can tell, it's an idealist pragmatist that's cynical and skeptic. what's your's--the overdone "overthrow the system and trash the indoctrination"?and I really dislike people like you ()
people who think they are better than their dumbass elders. And for that matter--you and I may as well be the same fucking age. I'm 18.6 years old. you? We're from the same generation--and you don't know my experiences--so who are you to say that I should have done better than you? what if I was from a poor family, what if my home life was screwed up, what if I had to quit school to support my mom and brother, what if I didn't grow up in the best of neighborhoods? Just so you know, I am from a poor family--right on the poverty line. But I was fortunate in having a very good school system (for the area). I was able to take AP classes, as well as IB.
point is, don't hand down judgements on people when you don't know what they've gone through.sheez.

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All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences