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joshua221  Inactive Member |
This whole topic went down the drain I think, mainly because of the last pages and how uninteresting, and relatively stupid the discussion became.
Kerasu and Ikabod I stopped reading your posts, not only because they lack content, but also because no capitals. CK has made no arguments, rather states single premises without support. The fogies including jar and RAZD, and omnivorous started quoting songs and stuff lol. Schrafinator gave up on the topic, and aggressively wanted to know things about me that were not even important or relevant to the seeking of knowledge or truth. Archer and the guy with the green avatar made meaningless posts. And messenjah fought with these people over nothing. There we are I guess. This one is done probably. Peace.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
It's over man, don't get worked up.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2541 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
or perhaps you stopped reading my posts (and my name is kuresu, not kerasu) because they contain an element of truth that you don't want to hear?
and the excuse over lack of capitals, please. how lame.content excuse is at least better, but come on. Just as with moo, I think you just don't like what we're writing, and so are waving it off as pointless. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I've realized this is not the right place for the level of discussion I am bringing, noone here knows who Sartre is, let alone any philosopher. He was either an aspiring cookbook writer or the classic automobile mechanic, continuing to strive and bill the customer all the while recognizing the futility of ever getting the car to function properly and the inability of the bourgeois to recognize and accept that futility. As a sign of his contempt for the bourgeois he goes ahead and cashes the customers check in protest and drinks to the future enlightenment of man in a wine too heady and exalted for plebian tastes.
His words in On Genocide, the indictment of the Vietnam war by an independent council is another great read. edit: very hard to find. Hint, Google "On Genocide" +sartre However the bourgeois may be unable to recognize what is returned. How will they know that it is an indictment without you to tell them?
So I won't attempt to post anything at all again, this forum's foundation is built upon a subject too broad, breeds an environment lacking intellectuals. You are right. I have noticed that most intellectuals avoid broad foundations believing that if the pyramid is built correctly, the point will be at the base alowing the broad platform at the top as a place where intellectuals may stroll about. Pleasant views from up there I hear. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3990 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
My critique it written well enough for a layperson like yourself to understand. Question is,what exactly is untrue of my defense? Break it apart. I care not for this trivial chatter. I capitalized One for emphasis and I did not capitalize French for I felt it was not to be capitalized alongside Kantian and Christian. This comment does not matter however, and I should not offer a defense against such weak criticism. Thank you for the further illumination of your reply. I especially like the swirled-cape theatrics of "I care not..." Maybe you could peddle your unearned intellectual arrogance to some grade school cheerleaders, but it won't sell here. You poisoned the well of this thread with your presumption and pretension. Print this thread. Read it to a mirror in 20 years, and watch your face bloom. God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ”Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’ --Ann Coulter, Fox-TV: Hannity & Colmes, 20 Jun 01 Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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CK Member (Idle past 4155 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
I think that Neo didn't like the simple and obvious question to his line of "break out of the system man!" or being called a sponger - I know I wouldn't like to be called out as a hypocrite.
Let's face it, we already know there is no answer that he can give that will not reveal him as such. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3990 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Well, the way I see it, "live" is live: not a recording that has been re-engineered--remixed, new backtracks added, guitar lines replaced, etc.
I'm sure the DVDs are nice, but that is not what they sounded like live. Don't get me wrong: I love(d) LZ (well, first three albums, anyway). I just think their studio output was better.
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CK Member (Idle past 4155 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
See this is the problem with being a fan of dance music - the lyrics are not that quotable...
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3990 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Archer writes: See what we go through? I married an academic, so I see a fresh crop of green corn annually. I don't normally speak so bluntly to the poor dears, but he was displaying his arse so enthusiastically that I lost all restraint.
Good post. Thanks! You should have seen the draft. ------------------------------------------the guy with the green avatar
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2541 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
personal opinion then I guess.
how can you not like Houses of the Holy (album, not track)?how about when the levee breaks? going to california? four sticks rocks. after Houses, it kind off goes down hill, but there are still some gems, such as achilles last stand, and a few off of ITTOD. abe: oh, and as to the DVD. if any new backtracks were added, you would think that they could make the bass more noticable. Versus the studio and live version of DaC, studio you can clearly hear the bass in the beginning. Live, I can just barely hear it. the guitar ends up overpowering, and even when not there, the bass just isn't noticable. oh well. mayhaps you just caught some crappy concerts that they gave? Edited by kuresu, : No reason given. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2541 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
moo writes: This decison could have been made a priori though obviously not fully a priori because aposteriori or imperical(experience) knowledge precedes a priori knowledge. Do you realize what you wrote here? That's a contradiction if I've ever seen one. Read again. apriori means beforehand knowledge. aposteriori means after the fact knowledge. There is no inbetween. aposteriori cannot come before apriori knowledge. think about, how can you have after-the-fact knowledge before you have before-hand knowledge? If you did, it would then fall under apriori knowledge. As to kantian ethics--it falls along the categorical imperitive--you do what is right because it is the right thing to, and you make that decision by asking this:would the entire world work if everyone did this?hence, suicide is wrong. hence, stealing is wrong. hence, war is wrong. kantian ethics can handle anything thrown at it. methinks you screwed up in your understanding. It's not important what you know, what's important is being able to think logically and critically. And you failed the first test with apriori and aposteriori. We've yet to see as to the second. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
As to kantian ethics--it falls along the categorical imperitive--you do what is right because it is the right thing to, and you make that decision by asking this:would the entire world work if everyone did this? hence, suicide is wrong. hence, stealing is wrong. hence, war is wrong. kantian ethics can handle anything thrown at it. Well, I wouldn't go that far. As with so many such ideas it only works if first EVERYONE adopts the same principles. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2541 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
right, but from the theoretical it could handle anything. the theoretical being that everybody has accepted the principle's first.
and so long as we're dealing with the theoretical--such as the son with war/mother issue, we don't have a problem with kantian ethics. furthermore, the categorical imperitive doesn't really need everyone to accept it. it's just this--if everyone commited suicide, would the world work? it might be better off without us, but in terms of society, no, suicide does not work. neither does war, or stealing. it doesn't matter if people actually do these things or accepts kantian ethics--it's just important if you do. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
kuresu writes:
I don't see why not. aposteriori cannot come before apriori knowledge. Keep in mind that these are terms of art within philosophy, and a priori does not mean innate. As normally used, mathematical knowledge is considered to be a priori. However, people acquire quite a bit of a posteriori knowledge before they learn much mathematics.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Yeah, it went south when people were more interested in comparing notes on what they knew about {philosophy\philosophers} rather than talking about the topic of the thread.
But I guess they had the freedom to do that ... ... old fogey huh? you wait you young whippersnapper! we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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