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kuresu Member (Idle past 2513 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
sounds like you all in taiwan have a system that appears to work well then.
i wonder, how can we transport it over here?I'm thinking a cargo ship is too small do your all's standardized tests work?ours over here aren't a very good measure of what the student knows. reason being--the classes become focused on passing that test, and focus solely on memorization of the facts, and not on why the facts are. which is what I think the biggest failure of standardized tests is. It robs the ability of the school to teach why and how, and forces on only what. and most students end up not remembering what, oh, say Boyle's law is. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
Just for the record: MOO and I have had a nice live chat about the dialectic between youth and age, and we're cool with it.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3597 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
kuresu writes:
sounds like you all in taiwan have a system that appears to work well then. It has its drawbacks, as I say. But most of us will happily take the disadvantages given the advantages.
i wonder, how can we transport it over here? I'm thinking a cargo ship is too small I wouldn't say that. You could probably fit most of Taiwan onto the cargo ship. The main ingredient is strong central guidance by professional educators. Students meet national standards that are tested. Schools do, too: accreditation of all schools is handled by the government. People know a school is certified by the Ministry of Education or it isn't. It's like the federal guarantees you have in the US for food and banks. There's not much room for bogus colleges to offer bogus degrees through bogus accreditation agencies. No room exists for retired cops to demand that real science educators put in a plug for pseudoscience, as happened in Dover. The professionals run the schools.
do your all's standardized tests work? Well... it depends on what you mean by 'work.' You know how these things go. No one's going to design a perfect test. The exams are demanding, so a lot of learning takes place. High school graduates here tend to be solid on the facts of history, geography, math, grammar. And everyone has confidence in the tests. Most people feel they are fairly designed and administered.
ours over here aren't a very good measure of what the student knows. reason being--the classes become focused on passing that test, and focus solely on memorization of the facts, and not on why the facts are.which is what I think the biggest failure of standardized tests is. It robs the ability of the school to teach why and how, and forces on only what. and most students end up not remembering what, oh, say Boyle's law is. I know what you mean. Same pressures here. Definitely. You make an excellent point about learning styles. Fortunately, we have good teachers here. They know lasting learning--and even a good test score--depends on real understanding. Classes are structured to promote this. The national tests are constantly reworked, too, to try to measure this. It always depends on the teachers, when you get down to it. Tests don't teach. Edited by Archer Opterix, : Concision. Archer All species are transitional.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2513 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
and in the meantime we're losing teachers. Very few want to teach--pay's too low when considering some of the hell you can go through.
sounds like you all have well rounded students--at least in the upper tiers. I was fortunate to have the IB program at my school. Essay tests, while more difficult to judge, generally better show what the student actually knows. Mainly cause instead of having four multiple choice answers (one of which will be correct) the student, gasp, has to know something. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: *sigh* My father wouldn't have cared about the game at all and my mother would have berated me the whole way home. I would have given just about anything for a real parent like you. You're a good man, omni.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
It funny how you can waxy all day about various philosophical and ontological concern but cannot answer simple questions as put forward by Schraf, myself and others. quote: Yes. "Simple", as in "easily answered". Not "simplistic", but "simple". Did you make your guitar, or was it made in a factory? Do you want to California to try to make it in the music business? Isn't it hypocritical for you to lecture everyone else about living in a capitalist system when you refuse to live your own philosophy?
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
moo = Messenjah Of One
Just like LM = Lithoid-Man
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Perhaps you'd like to contrast the positions of Swift, Musseler, and Podhajsky?
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yes they were. Overly-blunt sentence edited to the following more nuturing one: Why don't you go back through the thread and see if you can figure out how they could be? Sorry Admin. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
That last sentence should have been a quick explanation as to why they were. It is near to a suspension sentence.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
The questions seem self-evident to me - however Charlie seems to be struggling with them, so let's try a different example.
Bert Thompson was one of the leading lights of Apologetic press - and in that capacity, used to write long pseudo-scientific pieces about the evil of homosexuality and people giving into sin. Only problem was that Bert enjoyed bouncing 17 year old boys off his lap - he was a hypocrite and his actions did not match his words. In the same way, Prophex is advocating one lifestyle but actually seems to be suckling on the teat of capitalism while he does it. That would seem to make him a hypocrite. However it could be that he's not a hypocrite and therefore his actions reflect his words of profound wisdom. How do we determine this without asking those straight forward questions? This is very easy to clean-up, Prophex just needs to inform us how he is putting his fine words into action and is not actually full of shit. I hope my response is straightforward and clear enough for all to understand. Edited by CK, : Doh! don't want that wikipedia link.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2513 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
what you wrote about is exactly why I shy away from making statements. I have a tendency to end up being a hypocrite, but in places I know I'm not, I make statements.
ex:class complaining about load of homeworkme:nothing you can do about, so quit whining, and just do it. (I tend to hate whiners--those who have an obsesive need to whine about any and everything, especially those things they can't do anything about. When it comes to whining about something you can't do anything about, it's better to just plug along. But if you can do something about the situation you're in, like, say the politics of this country, and you can vote, you can whine) ex:the "who cares generation"I complain about my generation--we've fallen into a slump of not caring about just about everything. I'm sick and tired off it, and I'm trying to change it, even if the change I effect is only right around me. Because I care, I can criticize those who don't, and the "word" I spread is that of caring about shit again. ex:turn the other cheekI can't tell someone to do this. why? until I can control my temper, and not get into physical fights with my brother, how can I tell you not to fight? yeah . . . All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
schrafinator writes: I would have given just about anything for a real parent like you. You're a good man, omni. Thank you, schraf. I've never had a sweeter compliment. My father beat me for errors in Little League baseball--he was our coach. He would cheerfully tell the team that winning wasn't as important as trying, then take me home and knock me around for not hitting a winning run or for missing a double-play. My mother thought games and other competitive events were trivially unimportant and pretended our father's violent emotional and physical eruptions never happened. I made plenty of mistakes as a parent, but violence, emotional abuse, and trivializing indifference were three things (among others) that I was determined to avoid.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3597 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Kuresu,
You mentioned you were exploring the idea of a major in international affairs. If you think this is a likely route for you, I hope you are involved already in some language studies. A specialty of that sort calls for some language skills and I know undergrad programs in the US don't always require foreign language study. If you pass it up now it could be taxing to try to catch up later. Summer language programs, especially those that involve study abroad, can be very helpful option for you at this stage of your studies. Have you thought about international law? Fascinating. Archer All species are transitional.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: You're line of questioning was designed to make me "admit" that I have accepted the benefits of mass production/capitalism/greed/exploitation. You have asked "Where did you get that guitar?", and similar questions. I don't know why you got so mad, whatever. Yes I have many things that were made under capitalism, and yes I use them. I live under capitalism, I did not choose where I was born. Now that I have realized what it is all about, there are not many other places to live a life without having to struggle to survive that are not under capitalism. So although I believe that it is "messed up", you think I should be happy that I have all these wonderful things. I play guitar for the sounds, and for the music, and for the ability to go places through the feelings. I realize that it is an instrument made by factory workers under capitalism. Doing jobs, jobs that I find trivial. But music is a worthwhile purpose. I would not call myself a hypocrite. I understand the meaninglessness of most purposes, especially those under systems like capitalism. But then again with any system there are trivialities that must be entertained to continue to exist. I am less interested in government, and society lately because I am more interested in truth and Jesus. Jesus, meaning everything that is good and righteous in the world, and in my life, and transcendence. But I feel that I can rise above the trivialities of government, and society, and empires. And history. I have learned a lot, and I have begun to figure out that none of it is important, if only to show me what is really good. I am sorry if you thing I avoided your line of questioning, but I was on another plane I believe. Tell me what you think.
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