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Author Topic:   The Flood - Animals and their minimum food requirement
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Message 153 of 239 (346442)
09-04-2006 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Bible Backer
09-04-2006 4:28 AM


Bible Backer
Hi CK, you're forgetting that Noah could have easily constructed multiple follower barges containing much of the food that the animals needed.
Well, seeing as this is not mentioned in the bible, there is no record for it but let us play the devil's advocate and allow for such. Now can you explain how the people on baord the Ark were to transport the food requirements of all the animals from the barges to the ark itself each and every day and several times a day? How do they do it during the deluge of rain that was occuring?
What means of preserving the food would they have to allow the food {in 100% humidity} to remain edible for the animals? Most animals cannot exist in 100% humidity as there is no means by which they can cool down since sweat will not evaporate off the skin. They have no means of refrigeration and no way off cooling off nor of preserving meat and vegetables.
The laws of physics cannot be accomodated to provide for the neccesary fundemental breakdown of laws that are entailed in a worldwide flood scenario, so this point is moot regardless of how much you would like it to be so. In fact, I think I will start a thread soon on the laws of physics that prevent the possibilty of the flood occuring.

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Message 183 of 239 (346645)
09-05-2006 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by johnfolton
09-04-2006 8:57 AM


Re: Query about figures.
johnfolton
Noah would have had to create access doors that opened above the food stores in order to remove said food for creatures { Since side doors would have made for waste and difficulty in reclosing doors}. In order to prevent spoilage he would have had to make the access doors fit very tightly before the voyage in order to prevent water from getting in since they face upwards.
Now in 100% humidity I will pay you a thousand dollars if you can open a door that was tight fitting to begin with before the 100% humidity arrived. It cannot be done.

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Message 190 of 239 (346706)
09-05-2006 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by johnfolton
09-05-2006 12:33 PM


Re: Query about figures.
john folton
Because as the humidity goes up the cells in the wood expand and bind tightly any guides that would be in place to open the gate. After binding tightly shut there is no way to open them until the humidity drops. Therefore the food would be inaccessible.Even if you manage to overcome this you are left with how to prevent the grain in contact with the wood walls from absorbing the moisture present in the wood.
Since the entire atmosphere was 100% humidity not only would the food have rotted { or be unavailable} the animals themselves would expire for the most part since the sweat vapour that allows them to regulate their temperatures as well as their bodily functions would no longer operate.
Other problem exist as well. How do you light a lamp when the moisture in the air will prevent it? What do you do with the waste from the animals.Since you cannot possibly open a door to the outside in a deluge of the proportion without allowing in more water that will not evporate away? Can you imagine the stench on board on a daily basis in 100% humidity?Ever been in a steam room? Take a bucket of shit, throw it on the floor and stay there for a 40 day period and let us know how it went.
Now multiply that by the number of the animals aboard and you can see the difficulty eh?
The number of problems with the physics of the flood is insurmountable. If you wish we can continue in another thread the listing of difficulties present.

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Message 215 of 239 (346956)
09-06-2006 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by johnfolton
09-05-2006 5:15 PM


Re: Query about figures.
johnfolton
Why would Noah not use brass to construct a gate, it would not rust or bind. genesis 4:22
No problem there except the brass still has to fit in a frame of wood and again you have the problem of the swelling in 100% humidity now closing tightly on a brass containing door.
And you have no answer for how the animals kept from overheating due to lack of evaporation of sweat.Nor for the waste that the animals produced.
Remember this is only a tiny proportion of the difficulties that arise from the flood story. We might also ask of what food did Noah and his family eat and how did they cook it on a sealed vessel?

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Message 219 of 239 (346975)
09-06-2006 1:02 PM
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09-06-2006 12:08 PM


Re: Query about figures.
johnfolton
Water vapor is clear even at 100 percent humidity, if the temperature is cooler there would not be a problem within the ark given the ark was pitched within and without.
If the temperature dropped it would become fog. Nonetheless the wood still expands and has nothing to do with the pitch.It is the reason a gap is left in doorways of your home ,to permit for expansion in high humidity.The humidity aboard the ark cannot fluctuate since there is no where for it to go.
I couldn't find in genesis saying the ark was a sealed vessel, it mentions a window a cubit to fashion it above. Normal air circulation would of supplied fresh clear air from above by the water being diverted away.
One window does not a circulation make. So even the bible shows that this is not possible. Regardless the 100% humidty would prevent them from lighting kindling as it owuld be saturated after a few days.
Also the clear air itself is at 100%humidity so this does nothin to alleviate the problem.
And we still have the issue of sweat and cooling for the occupants of the ark sir.
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