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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
or perhaps you stopped reading my posts (and my name is kuresu, not kerasu) because they contain an element of truth that you don't want to hear?
and the excuse over lack of capitals, please. how lame.content excuse is at least better, but come on. Just as with moo, I think you just don't like what we're writing, and so are waving it off as pointless. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
personal opinion then I guess.
how can you not like Houses of the Holy (album, not track)?how about when the levee breaks? going to california? four sticks rocks. after Houses, it kind off goes down hill, but there are still some gems, such as achilles last stand, and a few off of ITTOD. abe: oh, and as to the DVD. if any new backtracks were added, you would think that they could make the bass more noticable. Versus the studio and live version of DaC, studio you can clearly hear the bass in the beginning. Live, I can just barely hear it. the guitar ends up overpowering, and even when not there, the bass just isn't noticable. oh well. mayhaps you just caught some crappy concerts that they gave? Edited by kuresu, : No reason given. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
moo writes: This decison could have been made a priori though obviously not fully a priori because aposteriori or imperical(experience) knowledge precedes a priori knowledge. Do you realize what you wrote here? That's a contradiction if I've ever seen one. Read again. apriori means beforehand knowledge. aposteriori means after the fact knowledge. There is no inbetween. aposteriori cannot come before apriori knowledge. think about, how can you have after-the-fact knowledge before you have before-hand knowledge? If you did, it would then fall under apriori knowledge. As to kantian ethics--it falls along the categorical imperitive--you do what is right because it is the right thing to, and you make that decision by asking this:would the entire world work if everyone did this?hence, suicide is wrong. hence, stealing is wrong. hence, war is wrong. kantian ethics can handle anything thrown at it. methinks you screwed up in your understanding. It's not important what you know, what's important is being able to think logically and critically. And you failed the first test with apriori and aposteriori. We've yet to see as to the second. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
right, but from the theoretical it could handle anything. the theoretical being that everybody has accepted the principle's first.
and so long as we're dealing with the theoretical--such as the son with war/mother issue, we don't have a problem with kantian ethics. furthermore, the categorical imperitive doesn't really need everyone to accept it. it's just this--if everyone commited suicide, would the world work? it might be better off without us, but in terms of society, no, suicide does not work. neither does war, or stealing. it doesn't matter if people actually do these things or accepts kantian ethics--it's just important if you do. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
moo writes: This decison could have been made a priori though obviously not fully a priori because aposteriori or imperical(experience) knowledge precedes a priori knowledge. This was the statement that prompted me to say that. because he seriously screwed up his terms. as I said, it's impossible to have after-the-fact knowledge (or experience) before you have before-hand knowledge. It would, by default, become a priori knowledge (experience). Therin lies the contradiction. Do you know why 2 + 2 = 4 before you have learned the concept of adding? knowledge is not about learning facts. facts don't really tell much.knowlegde is learning the why, the how. messenjah says that the kid could have decided a priorily what to do, but not fully a priorily, because apostpriori comes before apriori knowledge. that's like saying that one's birth comes before one was concieved. and in philosophy, a priori is used to mean innate knowledge (from what comes before). the knowledge you have of that thing before you have experienced that thing. a priori could be said to be instinct, but I'm not sure if that's a fair comparison. mainly because instinct doesn't really deal with knowledge. you also cannot have a halfway apriori and aposteriori. It is either one or the other. yes--I realize my definition of knowledge is a little different, but I think it still holds true if you use the standard. you cannot know an after-hand fact before you know the fact (knowledge), without it by default becoming a before-hand knowledge of the fact(knowledge) hope this makes sense. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
okay.
but still, you can't have aposteriori knowledge before you have apriori knowledge. that's still a contradiction. so it looks like we can do math earlier than thought, and it looks like it's inate. my question is: do we, at that time, know why the answer is such? as in, do we know why 50 is greater than 17 is greater than 13? visually, it appears we know that it is such, but why it is still remains to be answered. now that could be some interesting research. Edited by kuresu, : changed to : d. who knew that even a lower case d could give you a smiley? All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
which--the contradiction or the kantian ethics?
even if I'm wrong on the kantian ethics, you're argument still falls because of the contradiction--because you make it in an area crucial to your argument. my kantian ethics is an aside/ All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
and if you reject Kant's argument about a priori and aposteriori?
funny--for one telling everyone about how they've gotten trapped into the system, and can't break from the conformity, you seem to be awfully trapped by what those before you have written. I still see it as a contradiction--why?I'm more in agreement with the distiction between the two that the empiricists and the rationalists made than what Kant did with them. As far as I'm concerned, Kant is brilliant with his categorical imperative. as far as his reasoning on apriori and aposteriori, I think not (and thus I don't exist). Pay attention to my sig--paraphrased from what Locke wrote/said. you'll see where I come from. I still see the contradiction as legitimate. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
well if you supposedly get him better than me, then why don't you just fucking give me the examples. after all, you are the messenjer, are you not?
my sig's from Locke--well before Kant screwed with apriori and aposteriori. It comes from the idea of tabula rasa--blank tablet--upon which our knowledge is written. but hey, if you're willing to wait about a year, then you and I can do some sort of great debate on this. the only way kant can make this statement "that there essentially must be experience before any a priori knowledge" is by changing the definitions. Sort of like when the creationists changed macroevolution to be above and beyond the splitting of the genus. They used to agree that it meant speciation. And since we hadn't observed that at that time, their argument held that macro evolution is impossible. But since we've seen it, they've changed it so they can keep the same argument. a shell game. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
sounds like you all in taiwan have a system that appears to work well then.
i wonder, how can we transport it over here?I'm thinking a cargo ship is too small do your all's standardized tests work?ours over here aren't a very good measure of what the student knows. reason being--the classes become focused on passing that test, and focus solely on memorization of the facts, and not on why the facts are. which is what I think the biggest failure of standardized tests is. It robs the ability of the school to teach why and how, and forces on only what. and most students end up not remembering what, oh, say Boyle's law is. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
and in the meantime we're losing teachers. Very few want to teach--pay's too low when considering some of the hell you can go through.
sounds like you all have well rounded students--at least in the upper tiers. I was fortunate to have the IB program at my school. Essay tests, while more difficult to judge, generally better show what the student actually knows. Mainly cause instead of having four multiple choice answers (one of which will be correct) the student, gasp, has to know something. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
what you wrote about is exactly why I shy away from making statements. I have a tendency to end up being a hypocrite, but in places I know I'm not, I make statements.
ex:class complaining about load of homeworkme:nothing you can do about, so quit whining, and just do it. (I tend to hate whiners--those who have an obsesive need to whine about any and everything, especially those things they can't do anything about. When it comes to whining about something you can't do anything about, it's better to just plug along. But if you can do something about the situation you're in, like, say the politics of this country, and you can vote, you can whine) ex:the "who cares generation"I complain about my generation--we've fallen into a slump of not caring about just about everything. I'm sick and tired off it, and I'm trying to change it, even if the change I effect is only right around me. Because I care, I can criticize those who don't, and the "word" I spread is that of caring about shit again. ex:turn the other cheekI can't tell someone to do this. why? until I can control my temper, and not get into physical fights with my brother, how can I tell you not to fight? yeah . . . All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
All I can do is thank God my mom's swedish--I know the language fairly fluently--enough so to just barely pass as a swede. What's really cool, is that my university offers it. Only problem is, if I do go down that route, I've got to pick an area to focus on--and swedish will only cover western europe.
My Universtiy's pretty good about the language thing--in fact, we've got, in the arts and sciences, a core, consisting of math, critical writing, ideas/values, gender/culture, natural sciences, literature, and language. I've also taken five years of spanish in high school--problem is, I just cannot remember the language. After that, I decided to stick with gernamic, but who knows. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
People are strange sorry, couldn't resist
The Doors writes:
People are strange when you're a strangerFaces look ugly when you're alone Women seem wicked when you're unwanted Streets are uneven when you're down When you're strangeFaces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange People are strange when you're a strangerFaces look ugly when you're alone Women seem wicked when you're unwanted Streets are uneven when you're down When you're strangeFaces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange When you're strangeFaces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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